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Wednesday night I did a CBS Webcast with Katie Couric and sparred with Republican strategist Barbara Comstock over Sarah Palin -- what she represents and where she would lead the country. Old-fashioned as I may be, I argued that "this is a big election about big issues. And while Palin's story is compelling... at the same time on the core issues so central to millions of women in this country -- Sarah Palin talked about 'every woman should have the opportunity to go through every door' -- well, you don't if you adopt the agenda of John McCain and Sarah Palin." You can watch the entire webcast here:
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Katrina vanden Heuvel
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Again, best strategy against Palin?
KHT.....Keep Her Talking!
She SEEMS smooth and in control, but she also seems like the type that if she starts speaking extemporaneously....eventually the Nutty Right-wing Stuff will start flowing out....and be on YouTube an hour later...and "The Daily Show" six hours after that.
Then Obama and Biden and the Dems just say "Governor Palin said what??!?!?"
And wait for Palin to try to "walk it back"....McCain to try to "explain it"....and after a few times, she makes Quayle (and "Murphy Brown", "potatoe", and "canals on Mars") look like William F. Buckley Jr.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 09:36am
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 09:36am | ignore this person | warn this person
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Sound advice...that also happens to apply equally to McCain. The more he talks, the greater the chance of a stupid blunder...
...or better yet, a flash of the old McCain temper!
Posted by Lillian at 09/05/2008 @ 09:53am
The post-Palin speech fundraising suggests that Palin is actually ENERGIZING THE PROGRESSIVE BASE more than she is energizing the Republicans.
The more progressives hear about Palin's beliefs and record the more motivated they are to defeat the McCain/Palin ticket.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 10:02am
Won't the debates be interesting? I'm not impressed with Obama away from his prepared speeches. I've always enjoyed Biden on CSPAN, especially when I've disagreed with him, which is most of the time. McCain is relatively unknown to me, but he seems to be liked by our 'balanced' mainstream media. Well, at least he was before he gained the Republican nomination. And Sarah Palin is the left's worst nightmare.
I'm with mask. Keep 'em all talking!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 10:06am
One problem that McCain has because of the Palin choice is that she provides us gossip loving Americans with tons and tons of fresh gossip and that puts the old gossip about Rev. Wright etc. on the back burner while everyone looks at the new scandals and potential scandals.It will be difficult for the GOP to get us to focus back on Obama stuff because that was played to death during the primaries and we,now,have new and fun gossip to enjoy and explore.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/05/2008 @ 10:11am
freiheitz-Palin won't play well with many moderates and independents who are not thrilled by evangelicals.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/05/2008 @ 10:13am
I'm with mask. Keep 'em all talking!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 10:06am
great.
what about this:
The shortfalls Obama would produce don't approach the size of the deficits John McCain's budget threatens to bring. THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE'S TAX CUTS ALONE WOULD INCREASE THE DEBT BY $5 TRILLION BY 2018, COMPARED WITH $3.4 TRILLION FOR OBAMA, says the Tax Policy Center, another nonpartisan group.
why won't anybody (right is righters that is) comment on this?
they just tell me i hate america.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 10:21am
mccain's guy is right.
this isn't about issues.
NOBODY will talk about issues.
it's all so stupid.
and DANGEROUS.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 10:23am
Posted by Lillian at 09/05/2008 @ 09:53am
No, McCain's smoother than that. And he's been through the ringer a few times (2000 and this year)...he knows how to hold it together.
Plus, as shown last night with HIS version of "kinder, gentler America"...he's going to be the "moderate one" and let Palin throw the red meat.
But that's the danger for the Repubs....she's never been out in the spotlight that much. Never run for an office that required her to win over mover than 350,000 people and most of them pretty conservative Alaskans.
She may find what "plays in Alaska", doesn't play in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan or even Virginia....and when she's swamped by MSNBC, CNN, etc. with "Governor, did you REALLY mean _______?"....she may get a rude awakening.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 10:26am
I,also,find it odd that McCain would find a family values abstinence only running mate that failed to instill those values into their own child rather than find a running mate that succeeded.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/05/2008 @ 10:43am
at least one righty got it
"Dan Quayle Was Right about Murphy Brown
In 1992 Dan Quayle made a courageous speech about moral values. He knew the liberal media would make fun of him but he stood his ground. He rightly criticized the TV series Murphy Brown for the immoral message it was sending to America's youth.
After several seasons, the series' star, TV journalist Murphy Brown (played by Candace Bergen) became pregnant out of wedlock. The child's father refused to marry her, so she decided to have the baby and raise it as a single parent.
Liberals and elitists tried to put this in a "positive" light, since after all she decided not to have an abortion. I myself was one of those naïve idealists back then. In those days I hadn't found Jesus yet, and I just couldn't imagine what all those simple Biblewipes were so upset about.
But Dan Quayle stepped up to the plate. He braved the hatred and ridicule that he knew would be heaped on him by the elitists. He warned us that Murphy Brown was setting a terrible example. From now on, he thundered, it would be perfectly acceptable to have a child out of wedlock. This abominable sin would no longer carry any sort of guilt or stigma, and America's moral fiber would be ruined.
They laughed at him, but sixteen years later Dan Quayle has been vindicated. We should have heeded his warning. Just look at the filth our country is wallowing in. It's everywhere!
Just to demonstrate how this immoral sludge has been oozing into every corner of America, let's take a completely random example. We'll zero in on a typical Middle American family …OK, we've found a family in a small town in Alaska. Both parents are gainfully employed and they have five children. One of their children is seventeen years old and -- GASP! -- she's PREGNANT!
Posted by crabwalk at 09/05/2008 @ 10:45am
"... Out of wedlock!
This is a disgrace! God have mercy. This is exactly what Dan Quayle warned us about sixteen years ago, and nobody listened. Are we happy now?!?!?!?!
Well, we can be grateful for one small favor: there probably isn't anybody in this anonymous family who's famous or has any sort of political ambitions."
Posted by crabwalk at 09/05/2008 @ 10:46am
and when she's swamped
somehow i think that may not happen.
they'll keep her in her coffin until midnight and then.......
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 10:48am
[ST. PAUL, Minn. -- People: Make up your minds.
For two days, the chorus from Republicans on TV news and in the halls of the convention has been resounding: Back off and let the Palin family be. "That's out of bounds," said Minnesota's Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty. "There's no need to be intrusive and pry into that."
Yet Wednesday found the following scenes unfolding:
• Sarah Palin's pregnant, unmarried 17-year-old daughter and probable future son-in-law stood in a nationally televised, politically packaged airport receiving line to meet and greet the Republican candidate for president.
• The extremely cute and bubbly Piper Palin, 7, made her debut on her mother's behalf, appearing in a video on John McCain's daughter's blog. "Vote for my mommy and John McCain," she said, giggling as Meghan McCain grinned.
• Bristol Palin and her 18-year-old boyfriend, Levi Johnston, joined the narrative together at the convention Wednesday night. They sat and held hands as they watched the Alaska governor deliver an acceptance speech that, in its opening minutes, focused heavily on her family and children.
newsminer.com
Posted by crabwalk at 09/05/2008 @ 10:50am
McCain bucks his party, he is a "maveriK!" That's the story line he has ben peddling all year.
then he picks a right-wing extremist to round out his ticket, after his 1st picks, Tom ridge and Lieberman, are squashed by the party he supposedly stands up to.
Jeez you cons are a hoot!!
and...
It turns out that when the chips start to fall awry, you turn to...
god and guns!
After you got your knickers in a twist over comments that the Black Man made about you doing just that.
hoot hoot hoot.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/05/2008 @ 11:00am
'every woman should have the opportunity to go through every door'
Apparently not if that door leads to a sex ed class or a reproductive choice clinic.
Posted by crabwalk at 09/05/2008 @ 11:17am
Posted by crabwalk at 09/05/2008 @ 10:50am
facts mean nothing.
FACTS - TRUTH '08
Let Freedom Ring.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 11:31am
Hi Frosty, Yes, I'm really not for either party. I just enjoy the theater of it all.
It doesn't matter until we have a candidate with the courage to abolish the Federal Reserve System and fractional reserve central banking.
Who cares what party spends more really? The money they spend is created out of thin air anyway.
We are all so screwed. And you all want to talk about evangelicals. Pretty funny!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:39am
Look for Palin to retract & moderate some of her extremist positions, including the library censorship thing as happened in Wasilla. The censorship crap peaked 10 years ago with most BACtrians (born again christians) . Is Alaska now part of the Bible Belt? But the baggage is already loaded & in motion with the straight talk express. Too late!
Posted by Sorelish at 09/05/2008 @ 11:45am
We are all so screwed. And you all want to talk about evangelicals. Pretty funny! Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:39am
Really we're screwed? How?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:50am
I,also,find it odd that McCain would find a family values abstinence only running mate that failed to instill those values into their own child rather than find a running mate that succeeded.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/05/2008 @ 10:43am
Not sure why you would find that odd.
I find it to be completely within McCain's character (as a panderer) and within the ideological framework of the Republican party (impossibly arrogant hypocrites) to nominate such a person.
In point of fact, I would have been stunned if someone like Sarah Palin were not to be nominated
Posted by skeletonman at 09/05/2008 @ 11:51am
Hi Frosty, Yes, I'm really not for either party.---- Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:39am
Really?
Could you tell us 4-5 things you have against the Republicans?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 11:52am
As much as new con repubs would like to paint Sarah Palin in a Ronald Reagan picture frame, in truth Palin is really a portrait more likened to Clarence Thomas' without a law degree; just a BS in Communications.
Yet like Clarence, Sarah is where she is because of the liberalism that she so denounces. She's all ideology and no nuanced humanty.
What may be different is that Sarah, unlike Clarence, understands the use of verbal facade, propaganda. Sarah will attempt to mask her ideology as attack and not clarity.
Joe Biden will have to be like a very sharp needle and burst that bubble otherwise Sarah will ride her own hot wind.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/05/2008 @ 12:07pm
She's all ideology and no nuanced humanity.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/05/2008 @ 12:07pm
An empty suit, in other words.
Posted by skeletonman at 09/05/2008 @ 12:09pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/05/2008 @ 12:15pm
Palin is the best thing to happen to the PROGRESSIVE BASE as she is motivating progressive Democrats to donate to Obama by a 10-1 margin over Republicans since Palin's speech!
Palin is an INCREDIBLE FUNDRAISING TOOL FOR DEMOCRATS AND FOR ENERGIZING THE PROGRESSIVE BASE!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 12:24pm
How do you explain the (alleged) fact that Joe Lieberman was among his top-tier (if not top most) VP choices?
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/05/2008 @ 12:15pm |
Thank you for making my point.
McCain caved to the numbskull wing of the Republican party in nominating Palin.
If he really were to be the maverick you wish he was, McCain would have nominated Lieberman and told the evangelicals to shove it in doing so.
By the way, "misunderestimate" isn't a word, it's a George W. Bush neologism.
Posted by skeletonman at 09/05/2008 @ 12:26pm
McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS will do whatever he's told to do, as he did after the Keating 5 and as he did after losing in 2000.
As McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS stated in his acceptance schtick, he didn't love the USA until he was forced to... and then he stopped being the MAV.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/05/2008 @ 12:27pm
Palin is an INCREDIBLE TOOL
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 12:24pm
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted by skeletonman at 09/05/2008 @ 12:28pm
Happy-It's you who does not understand that McCain isn't a maverick.The lost him the bid back in 2000 and he is,now,just pandering.His time was 2000,but the GOP went with the one who refused to fight.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/05/2008 @ 12:31pm
Posted by skeletonman at 09/05/2008 @ 12:26pm
Perfect point. McCain USED to be a maverick. The fact that he capitulated to the Christian right and selected who THEY wanted instead of who HE wanted his proof enough that that maverick nature is gone. He is now beholden to the people who he used to insult. The maverick is gone.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/05/2008 @ 12:36pm
Posted by skeletonman at 09/05/2008 @ 12:26pm
The rumor is this...
Upto two weeks ago, Karl Rove and the Establishment Repubs (all hard-core cons) wanted Mitt Romney....
McCain was HEAVILY leaning to Lieberman.
Rove supposedly called Joe the Schmoe and not-so-subtlely threatened him that if he didn't publicly take his name out of consideration, Rove promised the base would bolt and McCain lose handily.
Lieberman instead told McCain...who got pissed, and not picking Lieberman (because he knew Rove could make good on the base abandoning him)...but ALSO not wanting to reward Rove by picking Romney...
went with Palin...and she was WAY down on the Short List and therefore not fully vetted...hence "Bristol"..."the Alaskan Independence Party"..."Walt Monegan"....and "the Bridge to Nowhere" contradictions.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 12:36pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 12:36pm
I doubt it not at all that something like this happened.
Posted by skeletonman at 09/05/2008 @ 12:40pm
Think McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS even knew that Palin's com skills would make him look so bad?
Does now...
It's called foreshadowing.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/05/2008 @ 12:42pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008
Sure Mask. Briefly, the Republicans... 1) Ignited a war against Iraq without proper post conflict process planning and insufficient ground strength to win over the populace. 2) Created a new cold war environment by ostracizing Russia and pushing for NATO when it should have been dismantling it. 3) Has failed to act decisively on the issue of immigration. 4) Has bailed out the mortgage industry at the expense of the american taxpayer. 5) Have grown government.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 12:54pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:50am
Why are we screwed?
We are screwed because the american dollar is fiat. We are screwed because the Federal Reserve system is designed to protect the banking industry, not the american people. We are screwed because the ballot box has become a weapon for the redistribution of wealth. We are screwed because we have lost our understanding of the meaning of liberty. We are screwed because we are being deceived. And we don't even know it.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:04pm
Obama and McCain will do little to address the underlying problem. Our determined march to socialism.
And as detestible as rape, we are expected to lie back and enjoy it.
:-) Have a great day!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:07pm
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 12:54pm
Pretty solid list.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:09pm
Mask... your 'dirt' on Palin is mild... and really only serves to humanize her to a large segment of voters.
However... I do agree with you that though she really excels at scripted and choreographed moments where the talking points are clear and the sarcastic jabbing jokes well rehearsed...
...she may well flounder in the 'open field' competition...
Posted by ttr at 09/05/2008 @ 1:14pm
Gallup shows McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS got a whopping 1% bounce since the 9/1, going from 43% to 44% now, 9/5. In that time Obama went from 49% to 48%. So is that really a gigantic 2 points?
The next 2-3 weeks could show a steady slide if that's all McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS' got as the new con repub 'call to continue dic'tatorship' convection was their big 4 day ad buy in and Gallup still has Obama ahead by 4%.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/05/2008 @ 1:17pm
...she may well flounder in the 'open field' competition...
Posted by ttr at 09/05/2008 @ 1:14pm
Although I appreciate the spirit of your wishful thinking, my money is on her being VERY real off script. This would explain why Oprah won't consider bringing her on her program. And why she would dominate someone like Katie Couric in an interview.
I don't think the left comprehends how starved the american people are for someone who isn't full of bullshit. Wait a sec... maybe you do and that's why you are all so freaked out by Palin's sudden rise.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:27pm
>>>Mask... your 'dirt' on Palin is mild...
Posted by ttr at 09/05/2008 @ 1:14pm <<<
Mild?
How about this:
1. Palin anti-abortion position is too extreme for America in that she opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest and would FORCE this view on the rest of America.
2. Palin and her husband flirts with succession from the United States as "affiliates" of AIP party.
3. Palin attempts to ban library books she doesn't like and fire the city librarian if she doesn't go along.
4. Palin fires police chief of Wassila because he wants the bars to close at 2am rather than 5am and this upset Palin's bar owner campaign contributors.
5. Palin fires her chief public safety officer, the former police chief of Anchorage, because he doesn't want to be used in her family feud in firing the ex-husband of her sister.
6. Palin's car wash was "involuntarily" shut down after she skipped out of paying her taxes and fees, and failed to file required financial statements.
7. Palin's pastor of 30 years thinks political opponents of Bush won't go to heaven and that Jesus is some kind of war general that kills people that don't believe in him.
8. Palin stripped funds from Passage House, a group that helps teen moms, LIKE HER DAUGHTER, get skills and lead productive lives after pregnancy.
9. Palin hired an Abramoff lobbyist to get earmarks that even McCain objected to
10. Palin SUPPORTED Bridge-to-Nowhere, and only opposed it after public exposure.
11. Palin inflates her foreign policy experience by claiming a refueling stop as a "visit to Ireland".
12. Palin does NOT believe that pollution and carbon emissions contribute to global warming and climate change.
13, Palin fought AGAINST the Bush Administration's effort to declare the polar bear an endangered species.
(cont)
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 1:30pm
14. Palin wants to srill for oil in the environmentally sensitive Artic Wildlife Refuge on behalf of Big Oil.
15. Palin's first state-wide campaign was funded by Veco, and oil and gas concern.
16. Palin's inaugural as governor was funded by British Petroleum (BP) that wants to drill in Artic Wildlife Refuge.
17. Palin believes "creationism" should be taught in public schools
18. Palin would only support funding for abstinence-until-marriage sex education in public schools.
19. Palin served as director of indicted senator Ted Stevens "Excellence in Public Service" 527.
20. Palin used the Wasilla Mayor's Office for campaign purposes, violated state election laws
21. Palin refused to release emails that show she urged her public safety commissioner to fire the ex-husband of her sister, citing EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE (sound familiar?)
22. Palin believed the Founding Fathers wrote the Pledge of Alliegence in her defense of teh "under God" reference, even though it wasn't written until 1892 and the "under God" reference was not inserted until 1954.
23. Palin fought hate crimes legislation based on her belief that "all crimes involve hate".
24. Palin failed to support universal healthcare for all Alaskans.
25. Palin left Wasilla 20 million dollars in debt.
(to be continued at a later time)
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 1:46pm
Metteyya
1) She couldn't force anything re abortion. Relax, you will be able to kill all the unborn fetuses you like.
2) Are you telling me you don't sometimes feel like succeeding from the US with the federal govnt as it currently is?
3) Name the books she wanted "banned"
4) Don't you think there might just be a little more to this story? Or do you think you are just kinda bending the truth for you lil' agenda here?
5) See 4.
6) See 4.
7) HAHA! Do you REALLY want to bring pastors into this?! HAHAHAHA!
8) See 4.
9) See 4.
10)See 4.
All the rest.. my point is, do you really think any of this - the ireland refueling, polar bears and the anthropogenic global warming fraud is going to sway people?
Good luck with that.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:47pm
and is 14 through 25 is a list of reasons WHY people want to vote for her! LOL!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:50pm
Hi Crab.. Hey, can you define the reason for the second ammendment in one sentence?
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:55pm
It doesn't matter until we have a candidate with the courage to abolish the Federal Reserve System and fractional reserve central banking.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:39
ta da!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 2:08pm
We are screwed because the american dollar is fiat.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:04pm
not just yours.
most others are propped up against it.
an insane house of credit cards........
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 2:11pm
We are screwed because the american dollar is fiat.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:04pm
not just yours.
most others are propped up against it.
an insane house of credit cards........
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 2:12pm
2) Are you telling me you don't sometimes feel like succeeding from the US with the federal govnt as it currently is?
IT'S SECEDING PEOPLE. S-E-C-E-D-I-N-G. Get it right. I have seen people type succeeding like 20 times. I generally don't correct peoples spelling but Jesus.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/05/2008 @ 2:13pm
Our determined march to socialism. And as detestible as rape, we are expected to lie back and enjoy it. :-) Have a great day!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:07pm
oh, socialism is o.k.
it's nice to help sick people and pool resources to find answers to problems such as energy technology and environmental degradation.
libertarianism always seems to forget that some people are just greedy motherfuckers and that regulation is a good thing if based on sound scientific and/or fiscal considerations.
the problem is funding it with rubber money.
borrowed rubber money, that is.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 2:15pm
Although I appreciate the spirit of your wishful thinking, my money is on her being VERY real off script. This would explain why Oprah won't consider bringing her on her program. And why she would dominate someone like Katie Couric in an interview. I don't think the left comprehends how starved the american people are for someone who isn't full of bullshit. Wait a sec... maybe you do and that's why you are all so freaked out by Palin's sudden rise.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:27pm
palin's a phony, dude.
check out her interview on charlie rose from last year.
you should be freaked out, too.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 2:17pm
Hi Crab.. Hey, can you define the reason for the second ammendment in one sentence?
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:55pm
people is crazy.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/05/2008 @ 2:19pm
Thanks Frosty, yeah, I'll check her out on Charlie Rose. As for the money, yes, the Fed, IMF and World Bank own us. Golly, where did Wolfowitz end up again for a while?...
CC, sheesh, sorry, yeah, thanks for the spelling correction [he said, blushing]. Oh, and that 2nd ammendment question was to point out that it exists to protect you and me from the government.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 2:22pm
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:27pm...
Though I appreciate the spirit of your need to deprecate and patronize people you don't even try to comprehend... ;^) ...I'd rather have Palin in office than Clinton.
My take is that Palin is being 'groomed' for political acquisitions in future elections...
...yet another excellent approach studiously gleaned from the 'Obama phenomenon'... re: his keynote speech at the Democratic convention in 2004.
Posted by ttr at 09/05/2008 @ 2:30pm
From Washington Post:
Palin's gubernatorial disclosure filings also reveal her involvement in another failed startup -- a marketing business which was to go by the name Rouge Cou, which evidently is a literal French translation of "red neck." On the 2005 form, Palin describes the firm as one for which she secured a license but did not conduct any business.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 2:32pm
Haha, touche TTR! Well said =8>D
Oh, and Metteyya, don't forget that after running a marathon it was reported that she had BO. And her "filthy" house is said to have dust bunnies!
Are you on NBC's payroll?
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 2:43pm
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 2:32pm
... which was to go by the name Rouge Cou, which evidently is a literal French translation of "red neck."
It's actually Cou Rouge, but your point is well made.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 2:49pm
>>>It's actually Cou Rouge, but your point is well made.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 2:49pm<<<
No, it was Rouge Cou! Palin " wanted" a French translation of "red Neck" but obviously does not understand French grammar!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 2:51pm
CC, sheesh, sorry, yeah, thanks for the spelling correction [he said, blushing]. Oh, and that 2nd ammendment question was to point out that it exists to protect you and me from the government. Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 2:22pm
Which second amendment question? I missed it.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/05/2008 @ 2:58pm
No, it was Rouge Cou! Palin " wanted" a French translation of "red Neck" but obviously does not understand French grammar! Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 2:51pm
Understood.
You know those damned foreigners, can't get their syntax right. That's Old Yurp for you!
She could use a better translator, among other things. Just serves to highlight her ignorance.
Oh, that's right, wilderness babes are not expected to be conversant in languages--just gun totin', aerial shootin' and __________(fill in the blank.) That wasn't meant as a sexist remark, but is apparently the way she plans to present herself over the next two months.
Oh, and one more thing, to paraphrase Steve Jobs, the level of racism on the Nation posts is beginning to get really close to the line.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 3:04pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/05/2008 @ 2:58pm
Um, well, my apologies again, it was a question directed at crabwalk, another poster here I respect.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 3:33pm
>>>Oh, and one more thing, to paraphrase Steve Jobs, the level of racism on the Nation posts is beginning to get really close to the line.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 3:04pm<<<
Kind of like Palin's "hockey mom" reference, when we ALL know that hockey is a "white" sport!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 3:39pm
I would recommend reading Judith Warner's piece on Palin in today's Times. It articulates what she (Palin) represents much better than I ever could, and reinforces what KVH has to say.
I can't post the URL since the Nation server won't permit long strings. The piece is titled "The Mirrored Ceiling." There is a link on the index page.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 3:42pm
Not "basketball mom", not "baseball mom", not even "soccer mom" - Palin said HOCKEY MOM!
Just curious, how many people of color play or watch hockey?
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 3:43pm
"Just curious, how many people of color play or watch hockey?"
i dunno Metteyya, probably the same number of people of color who golf.. Er, uh, wait a sec... What was your point again?...
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 3:54pm
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 3:54pm
The point is Palin is talking in code to WHITE AMERICA!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 3:56pm
Palin, ss a former "basketball" star herself, and whose children play basketball, football, soccer and other sports - why on Earth would she "choose" HOCKEY MOM to describe herself?
It's the only sport she is associated with where there are NO NEGROS!
Get it?
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 3:59pm
Yes, jackwells, thanks for the tip. I really appreciate the objectivity Judith Warner brings to everything she touches.. Very amusing piece. I love how the first line in her latest blog sets the tone... "It turns out there was something more nauseating than the nomination of Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate this past week." LOL! At least no one will ever call Judith a "babe".
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:04pm
The point is Palin is talking in code to WHITE AMERICA! Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 3:56pm
And she's not the only one. All them old crackers are guilty.
And what's really juicy is her presumptive son-in-law-to-be is a self-described "f'******g redneck." What a world we live in.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 4:07pm
Metteyya, What's to "get"? Surely you are kidding. Good one. If I didn't know better I'd think you were a racist. You see, I just asked the three negros with whom I closely work why they don't play hockey. All three laughed out loud.
I suppose if Obama is elected he can force blacks to play hockey, can't he?
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:10pm
Hey, do you think Palin is a hockey mom because she lives in Alaska? Oh, wait, yeah, that's right, she's a hockey mom because she's a racist?...
In the unlikely event you're serious, I think I'm forced to describe you as one of those "people of stupid", Metteyya.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:14pm
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 4:07pm
Anyone who has followed the development of sports in America and has spent anytime in American bars listening to the chatter would hear something like this:
"They" have taken over basketball, "they" have taken over football, "they" are taking over basketball - hell, the only thing "we" have left is HOCKEY!
And hockey is a relatively safe "white sport". Could you imagine the outcry if a black guy was allowed to chase a white guy, bang him up against the wall and hit him over the head with a stick while punching him in the face?
Talk about a race riot!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 4:14pm
Typo...
Should read:
"They" have taken over basketball, "they" have taken over football, "they" are taking over baseball - hell, the only thing "we" have left is HOCKEY!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 4:17pm
Yes, jackwells, thanks for the tip. Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:04pm
Any time. The nauseating line may have been a little over the top, journalistically, but the piece is well written and on the money.
As for Judith Warner's appearance, I'd say THAT's a matter of subjectivity and I'm not going there.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 4:19pm
>>>You see, I just asked the three negros with whom I closely work why they don't play hockey. All three laughed out loud.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:10pm<<<
They laughed because they KNOW this is true:
And hockey is a relatively safe "white sport". Could you imagine the outcry if a black guy was allowed to chase a white guy, bang him up against the wall and hit him over the head with a stick while punching him in the face?
Talk about a race riot!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 4:22pm
Warner's co written a book with Howard Dean and is a devout partisan democrat. Nothing wrong with that, but she's about as objective on the subject of Sarah Palin as Sean Hannity is.
I appreciate your take her piece is on the money, but I think it is a partisan hack job by a liberal Palin doesn't even know exists.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:28pm
Naw, Metteyya, they lauged because they think hockey players are crazy.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:31pm
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:31pm
Ask them if they think Hockey is a "white sport"?
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 4:33pm
yes, they all said hockey can be described as a white sport played by insane white people. Then they asked me if I had any plans to work today.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:41pm
>>>yes, they all said hockey can be described as a white sport played by insane white people.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:41pm<<<
LOL!!!
Now I think we are "beginning" to decipher Palin's "hockey mom" self description!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 4:44pm
but she's about as objective on the subject of Sarah Palin as Sean Hannity is.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:28pm
She's an opinion writer, that's her prerogative. I'm sure we'll hear a lot more on this topic in the next week or so before Sarah starts "palin.'"
And just curious, do people still use the term "negro" anymore? I thought that went out of use in the 60s. Plus, it's an anthropology term like caucasian. No?
Please advise.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 4:49pm
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 4:49pm
I was being somewhat facetious in using the term "negro".
I was trying to capture the mindset of someone who thinks "blacks are taking over and 'we' are going to stop them" by trying to decipher Palin's "hockey mom" reference for you since you don't seem to understand the code language or the history of race and sports in America.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 4:55pm
I see that Mett has taken an extra helping of paranoid again. Maybe, just maybe, she says hockey mom because, hockey is big in Alaska and the word "hockey" scans the same as the word "soccer" and that's why she thought of it first.
I wonder if she'll blame the Zionists for this as well.
Posted by brunowe at 09/05/2008 @ 5:03pm
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 4:49pm I was being somewhat facetious in using the term "negro".
Yep, went right over my head. Thanks for the clarification.
I don't know much about the code, since I didn't grow up in the South, and none of my black friends has ever hipped me to it.
But I do know something about race in the context of professional sports since the 1950s.
Admittedly, I know nothing about hockey, and probably never will.
Posted by jackwells at 09/05/2008 @ 5:04pm
Metteyya, I think there's no there there on this racial code thing. If Palin were in South Carolina, or Mississippi maybe your point would merit some mental pilates, but America and Americans are a lot further evolved racially than you imply.
I suggest you frequent different bars.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 5:06pm
Palin will un-do Palin....not the scandals.
KHT.....Keep Her Talking!
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 5:10pm
Posted by brunowe at 09/05/2008 @ 5:03pm
I have lived in Alaska and know for sure that they play ALL of the American sports there and that Palin and her kids played ALL of those sports (except women usually don't play football).
Basketball was clearly the most popular because it was indoor and all schools had a gym.
Palin and her speech writers are much more politically savvy than you are giving them credit, as they are clearly speaking to a "specific" demographic in code with the hockey mom reference which is NOT the same group as the soccer mom.
Soccer moms are more upscale and suburban and mostly white, but not necessarily white, whereas hockey moms are strictly white blue-collar working class people.
And yes, the part about bar chatter is not paranoia - I have heard it many times all across America how blacks have taken over basketball so "we" don't watch that anymore; and how they can "never" take over hockey because that is "our" sport!
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 5:19pm
Mask, I dunno. Unlike when we listen to Pelosi talk about religion and God, or Obama speaking of his military resolve to keep Iran free of nuclear weapons, I observe Palin actually believes in what she's saying.
No wonder the left can't stand her!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 5:36pm
>>>Mask, I dunno. Unlike when we listen to Pelosi talk about religion and God, or Obama speaking of his military resolve to keep Iran free of nuclear weapons, I observe Palin actually believes in what she's saying.
No wonder the left can't stand her!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 5:36pm<<<
Yeah...Palin is pretty scary!
At least with W., he would feign Christian fundamentalism to appeal to the Republican base, but ACTED in accordance with his marching orders from the MIC, Big Oil, and AIPAC.
Palin may actually believe this Christian fundamentalist stuff she has been preaching all these years and start a REAL Holy War with disastrous consequences for America and the world.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 5:53pm
Well, this is all great, but, we're electing a PRESIDENT. We need to stop distracting people from this.
I live in the town next door to Wasilla (since 1974). Palin's just shown us she's just another politician in that fabulous speech at the convention. Rove's Robot did just what the Bush machine wanted.
Alaskan's who blindly follow Palin are called Palinbots or Palinistas up here. Forget the base, go after the fence-sitters out there. Start with all those faith-based community organizers she just blew off as worthless and laughable.
You know. Habitat for Humanity, Meals on Wheels, AARP, after school volunteers who play sports with
young men who might otherwise get into trouble, tutors for homeless kids, those wonderful folks who are a phone call away from some home-bound senior or disabled person that can get them to a doctor or take them shopping or just be there to listen and give comfort.
And get some facts under your belt about Obama's legislative record. It's pretty impressive and freely available in the Congressional record.
Read - To Those Who Question Obama's "Legislative Accomplishments" at www.agonist.org. By Bob Geiger
If you're too lazy to hunt down the Congressional record you could start with Rochelle Reynosa'a blog on the my.barackobama.com site and verify her results. Nuclear proliferation, ethics, sex offenders, domestic violence, support for reproductive rights, veteran's health and employment rights, I could go on. But, he's been more prolific than McSame and is nearly as prolific as Clinton. http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/rochellereynosa
We've had enough of the Republican agenda for 20 out of 28 yrs..The sky didn't fall when Reagan was elected, Bush/Cheney blew a hole in it, now let's try Obama.
Posted by alaskadiva at 09/05/2008 @ 6:17pm
Posted by alaskadiva at 09/05/2008 @ 6:17pm
ALASKADIVA,
When I was 16, I lived in Eagle River, Alaska on upper Fire Lake. Are you near there?
I think the strategy in the tossup states is to target swing voters with targeted ads, and the Obama campaign is doing a great job of that by hitting on bread and butter issues and other issues that matter to these voters.
On sites like this, it is important that progressive voters understand what is at stake by having an extreme right-winger like Palin a heartbeat away from a 72-year-old president who has had constant battles with cancer.
Scary!
Obama has a multi-faceted strategy with much of it targeting the 12 toss up states that will decide this election.
But energizing the progressive base is also important as is raising money to run all of those targeted ads.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 6:31pm
Palmer, AK. . ..Lazy Mtn.
Palin states that life begins with conception, but, abortion is ok if the mother's life is in danger.
Sorry, but, you can't hold those two ideas at the same time. Pick one and run with it or join the hypocrite squad.
She goes on, in her Eagle Forum questionnaire, to say that the unborn shouldn't pay for our mistakes. No mention of rape victims.
Sorry, but, if a woman is violently tortured, beaten, stabbed, etc. within an inch of her life and impregnated to boot is that a 'MISTAKE'? !
How many husband's would accept a daily reminder in a child the result of such a violent crime?
How many teen siblings would be able to treat that child fairly?
How many relationships and families would Sarah be willing to sacrifice on the altar of her authoritarian viewpoint?
But....that's a minor part of what's at stake.
Posted by alaskadiva at 09/05/2008 @ 6:50pm
>>>Ah, what if the mother whose life is not only in danger but actually dies, what happens to the fetus? Remove from the womb & gestate in a test tube or glass beaker or what?
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/05/2008 @ 7:18pm<<<
Why not avoid this prospect altogether by keeping government out of the decision-making of a woman and her body?
Republicans like to TALK about keeping the government out of your business, but when the rubber meet the road, they can't wait to let the government into your bedroom, relationships, and personal decisions that conflict with their own "personal" religious choice and values based on their own backward fundamentalist Christian ideology and interpretation.
Why not just say I believe this, but I am not going to FORCE my beliefs on you through the government because I don't want you to FORCE your beliefs on me? In other words, treat people with the same respect that you would want to be treated, as this is the essence of teh Greatest Commandment.
Do you really think Jesus Christ would accept a person who was FORCED to believe in him?
If not, then quit this idea of FORCING "your" Christian values on others.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 7:39pm
Why not avoid this prospect altogether by keeping government out of the decision-making of a woman and her body?
Well said. If the woman wants to murder her unborn child she should have that right. No tax dollars, no government regulation, no planned parenthood subsidies. Nothing. A decision between a woman and her doctor. Get government 100% OUT of this issue!
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 7:56pm
>>> If the woman wants to murder her unborn child she should have that right.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 7:56pm<<<
What I am saying is I may think a "child" is not a child until quickening, someone else may think it is a child at conception, and another may think this is based on being "independent" from another body.
Why is it necessary for the government to decide?
Every person has a conscience and has to live with the consequences of their decisions, so why not be grown-ups about it and say since no one is God and we have various religious beliefs - some that may not even require God - that as long as the fetus is within the body of another, the mother gets to decide based on "their" values whether to carry the fetus to term?
Why should government pick one religion or religious interpretation over another?
I have always thought Freedom of Religion was the strongest legal argument against the anti-abortion position, but we don't seem to get it that Americans have a right to chose their own religion or whether to have a religion at all.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/05/2008 @ 8:12pm
Frei...
re: "books" per Time magazine
[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/05/2008 @ 8:53pm
Frei....and others...please watch this as you hear the talking points from HAPPY, LVLIB, etc.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/05/2008 @ 8:59pm
why are they claiming the Maverick mantel. McCain's acceptance speech sounded like Bush on steroids and little Ms. Palin sounded like a Republican clone. Mr. maverick would really be upset at having his name used by such a dishonest crew. Mr. Maverick refused to brand his cattle, because he felt that it was cruel. The other ranchers felt that he just wanted to claim any of their cattle that hadn't been branded. Senator McCain is just hiding his brand under the cows tail.
Posted by lachatte at 09/05/2008 @ 10:19pm
Part of the problem with some comments here is this reality: Palin is helping McCain RIGHT NOW!! Nation is a left leaning mag so of course most people here are going to criticize Palin. I myself have been supporting Obama from beginning. I donated money to him last nite. BUT criticizing Palin is not the answer. Don't be delusional. After the last 8 and 2 elections this Palin could propel McCain into whitehouse. A certain segment of the population wants someone in the whitehouse that they can relate to. Nevermind their qualifications. Even if it's phony BS (see Bush). My brother was for Hillary and to his credit he warned me that what is happening now is what the GOP would do if Obama was the nominee. I think Obama will be a good President but he was a risky choice compared to Hillary. Howver he out campaigned and out maneuvered her. Win or lose I think his nomination was worth the risk. I understand but don't necessary agree with the Obama strategy dealing with palin. I would not put all my money on Biden hurting her in the V debate. The GOP will have her prepared. It's not just Palin. GOP power brokers who have been wringing there hands over the likey eection loss now see an opportunity and smell blood. That's why I don't think the Obama campaign can just ignore Pailn. I understand the thinking. It's obvious the GOP campaign is trying to bait Obama. On other hand The GOP is ridiculing the strategy comparing Obama to a lion stepping around a turtle and not knowing what to do with it. The Obbama campaign cannot just scoff at the talking points by the GOP about Palin's qualificatiions and expect the voting public to see thru the BS because there is a segment of voters who will vote for her because they like or relate to her; Nevermind her extremist views. To be continued.
Posted by tjirish34 at 09/05/2008 @ 10:48pm
I apologize for some typos in my above post. Now Palin is a right wing fantasy candidate. If McCain wins I would be careful what I eat around Palin. Dems better hope he stays healthy too. Despite his campaign I don't think GOP righties will be happy with McCain. If he wins and gets the job. I think he will discard some of the kiss-ass to the right. It will be just sad to see gOP win this election with where the country is right now. DEMS will pick up more congressional seats and if McCain does suck. I believe DEMS will reach the filibuster level in senate in 2010. Dems would then control the legislation. Back to Palin... The strategy I think Obama campaign can attract Palin without attacking her directly. VOICE her political views to the public. Let everyone know while she is an impressive person who you respect with a compelling life story. Palin's political views are to the extreme of middle americans. Which is not an attack but fact. Also with the oil dividends Alaskans recieve. Is that not a windfall tax on oil companies? Which Obama has pushed? I know Obama has the female govenors + Hillary going out next week to campaign. Fact is Obama is going to raise the taxes on the most wealthy in this country. They don't like that and just like 92 when Bill Clinton said he would raise taxes on upper class. The GOP came after him hard as they will with Obama. This election is important. Obama may have to swallow his pride and ask ex-clinton campaign staff for ideas on how to deal with Palin. They have experience with GOP bs. As long as Obama stays ahead or even in polls I think he can outlast Palin. But if he gets behind. It could spell doom which would lead to McCain claiming an upset. A bitter pill indeed to swallow.
Posted by tjirish34 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:21pm
REDRIVER It is amazing!! Where are you at? Do you not see what the GOP has brought this country the last 8 years? I am not anti-GOP. BUT what has happened to the GOP party? It is controlled by right wingers whose only goal is to divide and win! Not to help the country unless you call protecting the filthy rich helping the country. The economic malaise in this country is directly the responsibility of the Republican party. HOW you say. Deregulation for one lead to lack of oversite in the financial markets. The bush economy was based on the ownership society. Keep wages low and taxes low for companies. This lead to high corporate profits. If wages low where do consumers get $ to buy the products companies make. Why encourage the public to buy a home which the GOP lead FED opened the money supply allowing for easy home loans to public. The public then was encouraged to take out home equity loans at low rates. This started putting everyone in debt but at time gave them cash to keep economy humming along. Then of course the subprime loaners and housing bubble began. Since GOP looks down on government and encourages free markets to control things. Lack of oversight lead to the subprime loans being packaged off as AAA+ securities when they were in fact risky investments. When housing bubble started to pop and the subprime higher interests kicked in. The high risk loanees who never should have gotten a home loan then became deadbeats leading to foreclosure. This in effect lead to the investors of phony securities to stop buying them leading to the billion dollar losses by banks which in turn lead them to cut off lending to people with good credit. This is what has lead to the lousy economy and job losses. Thanks to the GOP economic views. Yet you want 4 more years? Amazing!!
Posted by tjirish34 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:45pm
Not only that RED!!! Now everyone is in debt up to their eyeballs. OH except the filthy rich who made a killing the last 8 years. Well congrats to them. But it's time to swing the pendulum back the other way. I don't harbor resentment to wealthy people. I do however recognize that raising the tax rate to the Clinton years will not kill anyone because the economy hummed along in the 90's However the government might have been able to help more or strenthened the dollar if we weren't spending Billions and Billions in Iraq. A war that never should have been waged and when it was... It was planned disastorously. When you listen to Obama you don't listen to him. You filter in what you want to here. O'reilly of all people mentioned to Obama about Iraq paying some of that money back. Obama said "hey they have $79 Billion in surplus." The comments that Obama said Iran was a small country leading to belief he doesn't consider Iran a threat. Obama never said that. He said compared to the Soviet Union who this country negotiated with and was called an evil empire by Reagan. Compared to them Iran is a small country. Obama's point being that if we negotiated with a so called evil empire who had nukes galore. Why can't we try diplomatic efforts with Iran. Obama doesn't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon anymore then McCain does. This country can not even afford to go to war with Iran thanks to lost leverage due to the Iraq war. You Republicans are so FREAKING ATE UP. You spread lies about what a candidate says. Your just so damn NARROW MINDED! Why won't you open your mind? When I listen to Obama I think "he makes alot of sense on issues." What does Palin think? Oh we don't know do we? Palin better be put on the Sunday morning shows and asked tough questions before 11-4!!!!!!
Posted by tjirish34 at 09/06/2008 @ 12:01am
I suppose if Obama is elected he can force blacks to play hockey, can't he?
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 4:10pm
Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis Iginla[1] (born July 1, 1977, in St. Albert, Alberta), is a Canadian professional ice hockey player and team captain for the Calgary Flames of the National Hockey League. A first round draft pick of the Dallas Stars in 1995, Iginla was later traded to Calgary, and has played his entire professional career with the Flames. He is the Flames all-time leader in goals scored and games played. Iginla was named the Flames captain at the start of the 2003–04 season, the first black captain in NHL history.
As a junior, Iginla was a member of two Memorial Cup winning teams as Canadian major-junior champions, and was named the Western Hockey League's Player of the Year in 1996. Iginla has led the NHL in goals twice, and has scored 50 goals in a season twice. In 2002, Iginla helped Team Canada win its first gold medal at the Winter Olympics in 50 years. Iginla also won the Lester B. Pearson Award as the league's Most Valuable Player as voted by the players, and finished second in voting for the Hart Memorial Trophy. In 2004, Iginla led the Flames to the Stanley Cup Finals, leading the league in playoff scoring.
(to be honest, i hadn't realized he was black. had to look at lots of photos. another HALF AND HALF FREAK for HAPPY.)
<<<<<>>>>>
Total Salary 1996- 2008 $41,025,000
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/06/2008 @ 12:36am
so now you want welfare?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/06/2008 @ 02:24am
Levi Johnston is the father of Bristol Palin's baby. The 17-year-old hockey player at Burchell High School in Wasilla, Alaska, is by all accounts soon to be married to the Republican vice presidential candidate's daughter, but all may not be well. His MySpace page revealed juicy details about his outlook on life before he made it private. In it, he admits, "I'm a f**kin' redneck who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some sh*t and just f**kin' chillin' I guess. Ya f*ck with me I'll kick ass."
After all the publicity, Levi Johnston's MySpace was redacted, revealing no evidence of his previous profanity laden macho posturing. Although he admits that he is in a relationship, he still says that he wants to use MySpace "for networking or for dating." Moreover, on the subject of possible children, he left the message, "Love kids, but not for me." Most devastatingly, in a sharp contrast to the Palin family's conservative views, Levi instead posts that he is an agnostic.
The Levi Johnston-Bristol Palin marriage-to-be may yet not be, despite assurances from the Palin campaign. Their baby is due in four more months so the nuptials can't be delayed much longer.
So, what's the big deal, you ask:
(1) The McCain Campaign's abject failure to discover the existence of this page, and 86 it before publically identifying Palin as running mate. In Hollywood, secret agents permanently delete files of their "assets" and other damning information, with such extreme prejudice, it's like they never existed. Political campaigns presumably have a similar capacity, especially when it comes to myspace pages. I mean, how many people have both the duimb luck and foresight to (con't)
Posted by bobforer at 09/06/2008 @ 03:39am
download Levi's patently pedestrian page before last week's runaway train was both christened and irreversibly derailed railed.
Even an internet neophyte is cognizant of Myspace's popularity. Surely, all of us who religiously read our local newspaper's on-line edition recall the several fatal victims of crime and car wrecks whose myspace link is invariably posted in the comments section within a hour or two after their identities are publically revealed. The same for notorious local scofflaws.
Rank amateurs!!! Base and primitive neophytes!!!!
No?
And the same fu*k-ups will be staffing the White House and other major governmental entities and agencies, in important supervisory roles, no less, should McCain win. Remember Monica Goulding? Remember "You're doing a great job, Brownie?"
(2) While it is sometimes dangerous, presumptuous and unfair to postulate---without secret agent truth serum--the theoretically unknown and unknowable intent and motivations racing through the minds of others, you can't help but think this: Hmmm, typical 17 year old Red Neck Boy: Loves to cuss, play sports, down a few brews, arm wrestle, fight, and get a little trim. But marriage and kids? No way, no how.
So who is perpetrating and perpetuating this distinctly plausible, possible, probable and arguable lie that Bristol and Levi are deeply in love, and want to live happily ever after?. Shot gun wedding? Nah, too crude. If Sarah is anything, she's a cunning playa. Swiss bank account wedding, conveniently cancelled–can you hear "Church Lady"--after the election, and thereafter eternally irrelevant? Four years later, its old news. Remember Monica the Maydela? The Cigar? The Dress? Old hat, except for, perhaps the most (cont)
Posted by bobforer at 09/06/2008 @ 03:42am
(con't)
acerbic and dog-loyal repubs. Speculation? Yes. But, honestly, I cannot categorically conclude "no way, no how."
How bout we just give the voters the uncontroverted facts, and let them decide?
Posted by bobforer at 09/06/2008 @ 03:44am
I post here to express appreciation and awe but not shock at KVH's presention of the Nation's nation. She goes so far beyond the LOLs, lulz and smugs ....
Smacking Sahar Palin --Lipstick Pitbull, Queen of the Patriotards, as she is known as on the Phora -- right between her text-token contradictions. ("Open doors to women? If her policies were followed, NONE would be..." unless by a Guy -- maybe a Levi?)
Which should be done to McCain. ("I hate war!" - contort face; he owes everything he is to war.) POW? Not to dishonor, but to reverse adulation for pain- endurance converted into presidential qualification, when it is more the opposite. Even if he endured with honor -- as good or better than most, I suppose; and we do not know if he were implanted or not -- he may have less resistance to strain, requireing a lot of 'humouring' to keep from croaking on the spot when given hard news. Someone -- please, Kat -- has got to take a pickax. with salt, to this bleeding Vietnam war guilt bununculous.
There has been a single continous psychohistorical narrative spanning '68 - '08> Everyone predicates on it. Nobody knows what it is -- unless they can see the dual group-fantasy dyads symbolically threading the group process.
The dyad is: WAR SACRIFICE (1968 - emotional tide turns against the war as McCain is imprisoned; it is continued under Nixon until 53,00 Americans are dead) ***** ANTI-ABORTION movement emerges ('72)
The psychodynamic is attempt to undo the guilt for the war dead by "saving the unborn".
*****
This dyad is replayed, now, as by an enormous twist of fate, in A. the unassailable datum of Willing War Survivor (cf. "Iron Man Reagan" had taken the bullet) to redeem the memory; + B. ultimate heroic motherhood endurance tbc
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Posted by jones at 09/06/2008 @ 07:32am
Mask (and all) ... you'll love this one:
http://tinyurl.com/6r9qga
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/06/2008 @ 08:06am
Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/06/2008 @ 01:41am
Uh, RED/RIO, you DO realize the reason Sarah has that money to hand out is...
because the Alaskan State Government TAKES that money from the revenues of private business, aka Big Oil?
You support that?!??!?!?!?!!?!?????!?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/06/2008 @ 08:43am
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/06/2008 @ 08:06am
The title alone is worth it...
"John McCain---Reformed Maverick!"
There is NO way in hell guys like RIO, HAPP, LVLIB, etc. would be supporting "McCain-2000" if HE was running today.
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/06/2008 @ 08:47am
PALIN HIRES CRONIES TO RUN STATE FUNDED DIARY INTO THE GROUND.
http://tinyurl.com/634ggh
Posted by Metteyya at 09/06/2008 @ 4:41pm
The three scariest words in the English language right now: "President Sarah Palin." allegro88
Posted by allegro88 at 09/06/2008 @ 7:50pm
how about "frikkin' happy"?
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/06/2008 @ 10:32pm
Yo, jones, that's a compelling analysis of death & the great Anerican dream.
Wild, out there, but then so have the past 45 years been wild & out there, as we move farther & farther away from reason & enlightenment, and farther back into the dark ages of religious myths.
We have got to get these greedy, crazy sons-of-bitches back into Pandora's box & slam the lid shut, tight.
But it may be too late, as the demons are well into their stride.
Posted by sloper at 09/07/2008 @ 08:09am
We are screwed because the american dollar is fiat.
Posted by freiheit1 at 09/05/2008 @ 1:04pm
not just yours.
most others are propped up against it.
an insane house of credit cards......
Another bout of Stagflation?
Posted by boing007 at 09/07/2008 @ 10:42am
Posted by Metteyya at 09/06/2008 @ 4:41pm
Yup ... as the crap continues to surface we can say definitively that the McCain/Palin admin would be 4 more years of incompetent government and cronyism.
2Hap & Frosty
What you guys need is the proper theme song: http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=8159193&ord=1
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/07/2008 @ 10:45am
On CNN this morning I saw the most fascinating segment featuring Maureen Dowd. They were discussing whether or not Palin has been treated fairly by the media.
Well, Maureen Dowd made some of the most INCREDIBLE proclamations!
Dowd Epiphany #1: MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT. Yes, according to Dowd it's true after all. This fact helps to justify differences in coverage of male vs. female candidates, just to let you know. So all you gals out there need to remember this the next time you buck for a raise or a promotion. You need to remember this before you ask silly questions like "why am I not paid the same as a man?", or "Why aren't there more female CEO's?". Women carry the burden of pregnancy and childbirth. This unalterable fact of nature sets a specific limit on the professional growth potential of women. To seek to surpass this limit is to thumb your nose at Nature Herself. As if you could exceed the speed of light or alter the physics that govern our universe.
Dowd Epiphany #2: DON'T THINK ABOUT BREAKING THE GLASS CEILING! That's right, ladies, under certain circumstances you are prohibited from reaching your potential. In Dowd's opinion, mothers of minor children are not capable of holding offices of power. So that's it. Now we know the limitations of the Women's Movement and feminism. Us fellas, guys, are the only truly unfettered beings. Absolutely nothing stands in our way!
Let's hear it for the guys! And let's hear it for Maureen Dowd for finally getting her silly head straight!
Posted by Person at 09/07/2008 @ 1:51pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/07/2008 @ 2:10pm | ignore this person | warn this person
We may never know the answer to that riddle. But in either case, Maureen's case is made. She bears the same cross as all other women. Even she can't have it all.
Posted by Person at 09/07/2008 @ 2:15pm
Maureen Dowd?????
You guys ARE desperate!
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/07/2008 @ 3:43pm
What the heck does the name "crabwalk" mean? Left, Right, Left, Right, which is it?
It's not crab, it is crap.
Posted by Steve C. at 09/07/2008 @ 4:00pm
What the heck does the name "crabwalk" mean? Left, Right, Left, Right, which is it?
It's not crab, it is crap.
The same goes double for red river.
Posted by Steve C. at 09/07/2008 @ 4:06pm
Po' ol' Mo Dowd ...
... tapped out 10 years ago.
But maybe not so po', as she still takes home a nice check, no matter how little she has to say.
To be ignored.
Posted by sloper at 09/07/2008 @ 4:33pm
Hockey's not the only "white" sport left. Here's an oldie but a goodie on NASCAR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfBObq9Z4uo
Posted by Radscal at 09/07/2008 @ 9:00pm
What you, milady, and those of your ilk
(aunts and grannies a bit hoarse in your rants,)
are trying to disguise is that Polin's milk
being kind of fresh, it makes you wet your pants.
Posted by WWW at 09/07/2008 @ 11:07pm
If Hillary supporters really care about the policies she stands for vote Obama, and not vote hormonally. She torpedoed her own campaign by running a bad campaign. I mean read some of the posts out there, you think a black man got a better shake than Hillary. The only reason she wasn't drummed out of the race in March, like any other candidate male or female would have been, is because the press loves talking about the Clintons...the male and the female. She couldn't win past March and she put herself in debt knowing that. I mean she didn't even run her campaign decisively. But that's Obama's fault. I see.
Please wake up and check into Palin, you'll be helping to elect the Anti-Hillary.
Is it sexist to expect a VP candidate to go on Meet the Press like her male counterpart would've already done? Why didn't McCain pick a more qualified Republican woman, given that there are dozens? I guess he likes former beauty queens. If she were a man she would've been torn apart by now with her record. What's really sexist?
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/08/2008 @ 3:30pm
Lie Lie Miss American Pie.
If McCain gets elected then America cries…
"You good ole boys pulled the wool on our eyes…"
Singing "this will be the day that we died."
"This will be the day that we died."
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/08/2008 @ 3:32pm
Okay imagine this as the voice of Walter Cronkite...
"Sarah Palin, VP wanna' be rode in on her moose (before she shot it) and with the wit of her six-gun teleprompter, lit up a crowd eager to divide Americans on the pettiest of issues. While the United States of America circles the drain, they want to have another 4 years to prove once and for all their complete lack of competence on any conceivable level. I'm sure the thing that concerns Ms. Palin most is finding anyone who dropped a flag at Envesco Field, lining them up against a wall, and giving us all an example of her expert marksmanship. Just to show off, she might even do it...from a helicopter."
Maybe she plans on suffocating McCain on his inauguration night, then hatching her and her husband's plan of moving the capital to Alaska, and seceding from the Union.
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/08/2008 @ 3:42pm
I know a lot of MCPAIN people ignore the truth. But he did essentially play pin the tail on the donkey when he picked her. Except instead of just the Dems it's EVERYONE who's being stuck in the butt. Haven't we had enough "Brownies" appointed to positions they weren't ready for? How will he pick his Cabinet...darts?
Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/09/2008 @ 6:23pm