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RedditThe New York Times reports that: "Senator Barack Obama has all but settled on his choice for a running mate and set an elaborate rollout plan for his decision, beginning with an early morning alert to supporters, perhaps as soon as Wednesday morning, aides said."
The key words here are "all but" and "perhaps."
Perhaps Wednesday.
Perhaps Thursday.
Perhaps Friday.
There is no more clarity regarding who it will be.
In fact, the short-list remains the same as it has been for weeks:
"Going into the final days, Mr. Obama was said to be focused mainly on three candidates: Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia and Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware," speculates The Times. "Some Democrats said they still hoped that he would choose Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, or Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, who has been under steady consideration by Mr. Obama's campaign."
Here are a few tips:
Events in Georgia and Pakistan have made the prospect that Obama will choose the governor of a small- or medium-sized state with limited international experience a lot slimmer than in late spring or early summer. So Kaine and Sebelius are not looking strong at this point.
Obama needs a running-mate with foreign-policy "stature." That's not a governor, and it's probably not Bayh -- whose record of accomplishment in the Senate can best be summed up as "Democrat from Indiana."
So that leaves Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Clinton, whose international credentials are actually a good deal more solid than even her advocates recognize.
If it's Biden, the pick comes early. The Obama camp will want to pump him up pre-convention.
If it's Clinton, the pick comes later. There is no need to "introduce" Hillary Clinton, and no desire to explain the concerns about Obama's relative inexperience on the global stage and his relative weakness among blue-collar voters in battleground states that made the choice necessary.
There has been a bit of Al Gore buzz.
And House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is still talking up Texas Congressman Chet Edwards.
Not the Chet Edwards.
Yes, the very same.
That was a joke, as is the speculation about Chet Edwards -- or, at this point, anyone else named Edwards.
Obama is cautious, and smart.
His choice will be savvy, solid and, above all, safe.
Perhaps.
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"There has been a bit of Al Gore buzz."
Oh THANKS, Mr Nichols.
They'll be no living with HSUB for the next week or so until THAT silliness is finally squashed.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/18/2008 @ 11:10pm
Well no one can deny that Al Gore would be the best pick... if Obama can sweeten the pot enough.
Al would then continue to be seen as instrumental in creating more historical trends.
Apart from helping elect the 1st of many US minority presidents, but he's also be instrumental in shifting our form of gov back to an established constitutional form and away from a lawless dic'tatorship, re-establish the rule of law and more importantly he'd be considered to have inspired the 1st legit co-presidency; eventually, maybe 50-100 years, evolving into a 3 then 5 person rotating exec. (i.e. supreme court type model).
Or not...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/18/2008 @ 11:56pm
er, Apart from helping elect the 1st of many US minority presidents, he'd also be instrumental in...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/18/2008 @ 11:59pm
I think he goes with Kathleen and leaves foreign policy execution and national security to his Secretaries of State and Defense and National Security Advisers and Intelligence chief. Naming a couple of these people along with his VP pick would alleviate any concern in this area.
Democrats have become too defensive on foreign policy and national security and have bought into the Dick Cheney definition of what the vice president ought to be.
Dick Cheney was an absolute disaster as vice president, in part because of his insistence on being involved in foreign policy. So I don't think Democrats should be using his definition at all concerning the proper role or credentials of a VP.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/19/2008 @ 12:24am
Posted by RedRiver_. at 08/19/2008 @ 12:54am
The Repubs want Hillary so they can execute their anti-Clinton plan they have been working on for some time.
Obama upset the Repub applecart, and that is just another reason to reject Hillary as part of the ticket.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/19/2008 @ 01:00am
Posted by RedRiver_. at 08/19/2008 @ 12:54am
RIO attacking OBAMA for being "corporate-sponsored"?
And yet, he'll turn around on a "Nation" thread about the power of corporations and scream "Commies!!!!"?!?!?!?!?
Does this guy even know what HE stands for, much less Obama or the Democrats....or McCain or the Republicans?!?!??
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 08:55am
He would be shredded should he allow himself to be questioned...
so, I for one would encourage Obama to pick the ever wooden ALGORE...with glee.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/19/2008 @ 12:08am
You are sooo pre-9/11.
Not to mention sooo pre-2008.
You're just not very Current at all.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 08:57am
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 08:57am
HSUB, are you willing to give odds?
(on an Obama/Gore ticket)
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 09:18am
HSUB, are you willing to give odds?
(on an Obama/Gore ticket)
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 09:18am
To win in November?
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 10:04am
I can't thinlk of anyone more outdated than the idiot, ALGORE.
Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/19/2008 @ 09:35am
JoMa/Denial. Denial/JoMa.
BAWHAHhahahha. Funny stuff.
(JoMa's always good for a laugh or two.)
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 10:07am
Obama upset the Repub applecart, ...
Posted by Metteyya at 08/19/2008 @ 01:00am
Yeah. All McCa can do is reveal how racist the new con repubs can be in their attacks of Obama for being-- 'different'.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 10:12am
equivications
Posted by RedRiver_. at 08/19/2008 @ 12:54am
hahahahaha!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/19/2008 @ 10:13am
I don't think Obama even considered Al Gore, but who really thinks that, if asked, Gore would accept the VP position? Last time I checked, he'd already done that job.
I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised by the choice, though. I like Gov. Sebelius, but I'm one of the cross-your-fingers holdouts for Gov. Bill Richardson, who brings so much to the table (foreign and domestic) that it's surprising that he's been knocked from the short-list. Senator Biden seems too obvious to me.
Posted by klean2 at 08/19/2008 @ 10:30am
To win in November?---Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 10:04am
Nooooooo. Would you give odds on there BEING a "Obama/Gore" ticket after next week?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 10:48am
Why this magazine speculates about Obama's Vice Presidential selection when along with so many other instances in recent memory this birdbrain announces yet another imbecilic foreign policy choice: Bringing Georgia into NATO. Anyone with half a mind ought to realize that NATO's purpose came to an end with the dissolution of the Cold War. Its expansion eastward under neo-con auspices does nothing but antagonize Russia and recreate the scenery of the Cold War. I'm really beginning to fear an Obama presidency.
And, oh. Progressives need to vote for Nader.
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 11:15am
Johnlowell-You McCain supporters who come on these sites promoting Nader are silly.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 11:24am
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 11:24am
I take it you're comfortable with Obama's wanting Georgia in NATO, i'm nobody?
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:03pm
john lowell-What does your response have to do with my post?
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:16pm
Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/19/2008 @ 12:08am
The "ungreen home" is red herring all the way for several reasons: 1) is the "home" is also "office" so would be expected to consume more energy 2) is that it did consume about the same as other homes its own size (granted, it is a mansion and is bigger than need be) 3) one reason his bill was way high wsa the premium paid for renewable sourced energy and 4) that is all OLD NEWS .... the home has been upgraded to Green Building "Gold" certified (the only home in the state to do so) with significantly lowered energy consumption
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/19/2008 @ 12:17pm
It's really too bad that psychologically we're not so far beyond the actual Cold War for the Georgia mess to still push those old buttons. Russia is no more a threat to US security now than it was at the end of the Cold War; it's more like the devil we know, or have known. If Obama is smart he'll stick to his initial strategy of diplomacy and let McCain talk about the missiles ("warmongering" is still dangerous with the economy in such bad shape, right?). Minefield or not, Obama is still safest as the "change" candidate, so let's hope his VP pick doesn't suggest the kind of cynical "pragmatism" that several years ago led Hillary Rodham Clinton to authorize the Iraq War.
Posted by klean2 at 08/19/2008 @ 12:17pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:16pm |
What did your's have to do with mine?
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:21pm
Posted by klean2 at 08/19/2008 @ 12:17pm
Obama has come out in favor of NATO membership for Georgia. Imagine what would have happened had Georgia been a NATO member when the present violence commenced. We would have been obligated to go to war to protect Georgia against Russia. That stupid enough for you? Russia has a nuclear arsenal and here we are tinkering in their backyard. This jackass hasn't got any more judgement than McCain or Bush.
Progressives need to vote for Nader.
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:30pm
Johnlowell-I was just pointing out how new ids that push Nader are,no doubt,McCain supporters playing games.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:34pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:34pm
As I said, son, what did your's have to do with mine?
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:39pm
Johnlowell-I'm way too old to be your son.My response had lots to do with your post since you were promoting Nader and I responded to that part of your post..
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:42pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:34pm
Distrust of john lowell is further compounded by the fact that he is an admitted "pro-life right-winger".
He CLAIMS he goes to conservative blogs to convince them to vote for Chuck Baldwin...but not so sure.
Regardless, it's a BIZARRE modus operandi. Why would a conservative care if third party guys "get a shot" or are supported, given McCain has promised them the moon (and "pro-lifers" the judges they want)?!?!??!?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 12:46pm
Mask-He is an odd one.I get suspicious of any new id popping up and promoting Nader,greens,etc.Sounds GOP to me.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:49pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 12:46pm
What do you think of Obama's idea of NATO membership for Georgia, Maskca-ca? Like it?
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:53pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 12:42pm
Oy! Must I again? What did your's have to do with mine, i'm nobody?
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:57pm
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:53pm
Well, first....have I called you names or mocked your nick? Why the leap to insults, lowell?
Second, it is probably the only response at this point, without goading the Russians into thinkig they "got away" with Georgia...but it will take YEARS to get Georgia into NATO...like all diplomacy and international chess...it's the moves you make WELL BEFORE checkmate that matter.
And I would still like an answer to my query....why does a right-wing "pro-lifer" care that people "vote their conscious and go third party"?!!??!?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 1:03pm
johnlowell-I just answered your question,but I will repeat the answer.You promoted Nader and I responded by saying that new ids that promote Nader are,no doubt,McCain supporters.Go back and read your post where you promoted Nader and then read my response to your Nader post and then,hopefully,you'll figure it out..
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 1:07pm
I still believe Obama is having a hard time finding a running mate who will join him....I don't think things are as happy they seem in Obie town.. Posted by JOMAMMA at 08/19/2008 @ 09:35am
I don't think that's the case at all. I think he wants to make sure A. It's someone with foreign policy cred and B. It's someone who can't be used against him. He's being careful. I think you are a bit over-exuberant in your hopes and it's causing you to be irrational.
Biden actually didn't plagiarize anything. It was the Republican's seizing on attack politics for no reason. He quoted someone that he ALWAYS quoted and every time he had done it before that he gave him credit. He forgot ONCE and the Republicans of course seized on it to say he was plagiarizing. It's just another Republican talking point in attack politics that anyone with half a brain sees through.
"and he is an expert on foreign affairs because he was ...on a tour plane for 30 years?"
And McCain is an expert on foreign affairs because he dropped bombs on Vietnamese from a plane?
Biden has just as much cred as you guys seem to give McCain. Apparently the only difference is McCain was dropping bombs on people from his plane instead of just flying in it.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/19/2008 @ 1:13pm
Just so you know Jom. His foreign policy experience comes from having sat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for so long. Where does McCain's come from?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/19/2008 @ 1:14pm
Bill Richardson
Posted by PatrickMat at 08/19/2008 @ 1:29pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 1:03pm
"...it is probably the only response at this point, without goading the Russians into thinkig they "got away" with Georgia...but it will take YEARS to get Georgia into NATO...like all diplomacy and international chess...it's the moves you make WELL BEFORE checkmate that matter..."
The "only response"? How about staying out of their business entirely? It was Bush, Rice and the neo-cons that tried to get away with something, not the Russians; the Georgians were first with the violence and almost certainly with our blessing. Unless we're to conclude that Obama is as big an idiot as McCain - which he is quickly proving himself to be anyway - how does this jerk manage to get himself painted into the corner of supporting NATO membership for Georgia?NATO should have been dissolved after the Soviet Union fell apart. It doesn't occur to him that that's a possibility? How many billions - and lives - would that save us?
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 1:30pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 1:07pm
"johnlowell-I just answered your question"
Sure you did, i'm nobody, you just keep believing that.
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 1:33pm
Johnlowell-I don't need to keep believing it since I've answered your question twice.My answers on here.Read them.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 1:50pm
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 1:30pm |
Given you're rather simplistic in your thinking, diplomacy obviously not your strong suit.
See, Russia moves. We counter-move with a continuation of the PROCESS, not actual implementation of Georgia NATO membership. Then they counter-move with some concession, which we counter-concede to, etc. ,etc., etc.
Since Bush left us in the weak position the last concession is ours...probably something to let Putin boast to his people that he "talked us down", but likely no biggie.
Meanwhile, by engaging the Russians AND keeping the (again) PROCESS of "Georgia in NATO" going, we have leverage.
Now...again...care to answer why an right-wing "pro-lifer" is so concerned with getting votes for Nader and Baldwin?
Do you REALLY think they would win? If not, then what's the point, except to defeat yourself (aka cons going for Baldwin...which makes no sense.
or to hurt the Left (aka progs going for Nader)...which "oddly" DOES seem to help your side?????
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 1:57pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 1:50pm
Take a rest, son. This whole thing is getting a bit overly taxing for you.
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 1:58pm
johnlowell-Your responses are quite childish and I am probably older than you so,please,don't call me son.You are just upset because I'm not buying into your nonsense and figure that you are a republican in drag.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 2:02pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 1:57pm
"See, Russia moves. We counter-move with a continuation of the PROCESS, not actual implementation of Georgia NATO membership. Then they counter-move with some concession, which we counter-concede to, etc. ,etc., etc.
"Since Bush left us in the weak position the last concession is ours...probably something to let Putin boast to his people that he "talked us down", but likely no biggie.
"Meanwhile, by engaging the Russians AND keeping the (again) PROCESS of "Georgia in NATO" going, we have leverage."
Oh, this is just brilliant, Maskca-ca. We don't try to make friends of the Russians, we go in assuming that we're in a kind of boxing contest, that they're the enemy and that we need "leverage". The whole premise here is as insane as Obama's proposal. Stop worring about a McCain victory, Maskca-ca. He's running as a Democrat also.
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 2:09pm
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 2:09pm
I'm sorry...we "go in trying to make friends with Russia"? And Putin, the loveable ol' KGB chief, sees our goodwill and responds in kind with no kind of leverage behind our proposals but "we're nice"?
I see.
Okay, I guess I won't be getting a response to MY question, because obviously you're some kind of wacko and obviously have no LOGICAL reason behind your "Support the 3rd parties, you ideologues!"
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 2:19pm
Let's hope it's the right choice. My own choice would be Hillary for VP. Biden is a natural for Sec. of State and would be more effective there than as VP. In fact, if Biden were Sec. of State, the VP would not have to be someone with foreign policy experience.
bandz
Posted by bandz at 08/19/2008 @ 2:21pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 2:02pm
"I am probably older than you"
I wouldn't bet the farm on that one, i'm nobody. And, in any case, you'll always be "son" to me. :-)
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 2:27pm
bandz-Hillary endorsed McCain and would make a good VP choice for McCain.
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 2:28pm
johnlowell-I will never be "son" to you and find your need to write that to be a bit troubling..
Posted by i'm nobody at 08/19/2008 @ 2:30pm
Joe Biden, aka Professor Fuddles for me! I loved Irwin Corey. Send in the clown!
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 3:14pm
Professor Fuddles!
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 3:15pm
To win in November?---Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 10:04am
Nooooooo. Would you give odds on there BEING a "Obama/Gore" ticket after next week?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 10:48am
Anything's possible of course, but you're asking probability. So if Al is the VP pick, I'd say, 100% win in November. If not Al, 50/50 that something a la Eagleton, happens to the VP, motivating Al to serve a 2nd VP, but only as a sweeten virtual co-president.
Ok, ok I know what you're asking, odds on it coming out publicly that Al was asked to be Obama's VP. Oh, same odds as hsuB/cHeney admitting to have created a petty dic'tatorship of our gov...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 3:23pm
Gore would be a disaster. All the questions he refuses to answer on his crusade would come to the surface. His $100 million profiteering on GW after not doing DICK while we paid his salary might also be a sore point.
The profiteer of doom is fat and happy. He answers to no one. You think he wants that crappy low paying job back?
Duh.
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 3:26pm
50/50 that something a la Eagleton, happens to the VP, motivating Al to serve a 2nd VP----Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 3:23pm
Actually something more like that. Like an old HSUB prediction.
So 50% chance that Obama's Veep implodes and Al has to takeover....I see.
And when would that happen? It would HAVE to be well before late October, or Gore wouldn't have enough time to work his "magical powers" and win it for poor ol' Obama.
(BTW, if you think there's THAT much difference between your cult-like adoration of Gore and FRANKGRITS' cult-like adoration of Hillary....over on Ms vanden Heuvel's thread, FG predicted "Hillary as Obama's Veep, he's guarenteed to win"....heheh)
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 3:53pm
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 3:26pm
So, Reve, what's your view on man-made global warming and...
what's the view of the candiate you'll be voting for in November????
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 3:54pm
Hillary would be a loser choice for VP: The Repubs have been salivating over a Clinton Bash Up for years. And that is not even the worst reason against choosing Hillary (i.e., That she is old line, DLC, Old School, out-of-date).
Joe Biden is worthless as a Democrat VP: For years he lobbyed and pushed, and in 2005 he succeeded, in getting new Bankruptcy laws passed; all to serve the interests of his corporate credit card masters HQ'd in his state, Delaware. The "new improved" bankruptcy laws went soft and sweet on the super-rich, and made things much uglier for ordinary Americans struggling with job loss, mortgage meltdowns, medical bills etc etc etc.
I can't think of a worse fool -- dedicated to economic inequality and GOP Lite garbage policies -- to pick for VP ... except maybe turncoats like Zell Miller or Joe LIEberman.
Best bet is Bill Richardson. Deep experience on both Domestic and Foreign Policy Issues. The only thing you can hold against Bill R. is that he worked with the Clintons too long. :)
Posted by DaVinci_Codex at 08/19/2008 @ 4:04pm
Gore would be a disaster.
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 3:26pm
I agree-- Al would be a disaster for the new con repubs...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 4:14pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 3:53pm
Poor Md, if you can't see a dif between me and FrGr, you're off your meds again and delusional.
At least you're not referring to yourself as in the 'we'-ness state.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 4:23pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 4:23pm
Okay, HSUB....concerning your view of Al Gore...
and concerning FG's view of Hillary....
what's the difference?
Both accredit near-superhuman qualities to your leader. Both grant them the power for infinite opportunities at achieving the Presidency or something near to it. Both have made almost NO criicisms of them. Both create these elaborate "scenarios" by which they (you with Gore, him with HRC) achieve power...even if it's the most inane or self-defeating fantasy.
You can attack FG for his view of Hillary, but you can't say there's much difference in the way he feels about her...and the way you feel about Al, can you?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 4:30pm
"I agree-- Al would be a disaster for the new con repubs..."
This is the level of debate. Parrots that can't even get the phonetics right. No response to my points.
New con?
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 4:54pm
hsu: I am a Libertarian, but basically think Nader is the only really honest guy in the bunch. Man made global warming? The phony consensus is falling apart, and I doubt it is even in the top 10 of most voters who are being honest. They care more about cheap gas, abortion and gay marriage, one side or the other.
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 4:58pm
There is a strong chance it will be Gore. Here are ten reasons why: http://www.motherpipe.com/?p=78
Posted by motherpipe at 08/19/2008 @ 5:33pm
what's the difference?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 4:30pm
er, so bottom line is that you see Al and Hillary as having equivalent accomplishments...
Take the pills.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 5:50pm
No response to my points.
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008 @ 4:54pm
You had points?
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 5:51pm
Who knew!?!?!
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 5:51pm
its got to be biden--he needs some "gravitas" when it comes to being taken seriously on foreign policy. He also needs someone who is good "off the cuff" and can speak assertively and with confidence...not just read off a prepared script. Personally, I like Bayh---but now biden has got to be it---barrack can really lean on his experience and take his cues from joe.
Posted by marbiol at 08/19/2008 @ 5:52pm
Obamden?
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 5:57pm
Now that's hillarious....
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 6:28pm
August 19, 2008, 2:36 PM
Gore Gets Convention Speaking Role
By MICHAEL FALCONE
"One of the most coveted speaking slots of the Democratic National Convention will go to former Vice President Al Gore. He is scheduled to appear on the final night of the convention as Senator Barack Obama prepares to accept his party's nomination.
Though Senator Obama will be the main attraction when convention delegates and thousands more pack Invesco Field in Denver -- a larger venue chosen especially for Mr. Obama's acceptance speech -- Mr. Gore's time in the spotlight will be significant too.
The former vice president, whose work as an evangelist for environmental issues has earned him both a Nobel Prize and an Oscar for the film "An Inconvenient Truth," is arguably getting a more prominent perch at the convention than the president he once served, Bill Clinton or Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton."
http://tinyurl.com/5g84ba
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 6:37pm
Biden on Obama's VP Pick: 'I'm Not The Guy'
August 19, 2008 5:21 PM
ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf and Jennifer Parker report: As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was leaving his house in Wilmington this afternoon, he slowed down and said to the gathered news reporters outside his home:
"Hey guys, I'm not the guy. See ya."
http://tinyurl.com/6rnt9o
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 6:47pm
...jesse jackson jr---it will help him get the TRUE African-American vote (those with "slave" blood), while his geneology gives him an advantage in the corn belt, hawaii, those of Indonesian heritage, plus more recent African immigrants...its a no brainer!!!
Posted by marbiol at 08/19/2008 @ 7:40pm
Obambelius?
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 7:42pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 5:50pm
Nooooo...I see you and FRANK as identical in your hero worship.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 6:37pm
What DAY of the Convention is Gore speaking, HSUB?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 7:54pm
Biden: 'I'm not the guy' Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:02 PM by Domenico Montanaro Filed Under: 2008, Obama
From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden left his home a few minutes ago, golf clubs in tow, he was asked where he was going to be on Saturday.
Biden replied, "Here" and pointed down to his driveway.
As he pulled out of the driveway in the driver's seat of his car he then said to the press gathered near his gate, "You guys have better things to do. I'm not the guy."
I told you, it's Kathleen!
Posted by Metteyya at 08/19/2008 @ 8:34pm
Barack Obama chooses Kathleen Sebelius for Vice President
August 18, 2008
We have a credible lead that Barack Obama will be announcing Kathleen Sebelius for Vice President / VP.
Our sources work within an ad agency that is hired by the Obama campaign, and have noted that the vast majority of the discussions there are regarding material logistics in terms of Kathleen on the vice president ticket. Now until this is verified please file it as rumor, however our sources on this are not bad.. and have yet to be proven wrong.
Our source noted "It will get a women on the ticket that shares the same views as Obama" a reference to many of the Hillary supporters..
Then of course we had to do some research.
We held some general opinions prior to this little research project. One of them being that they wouldn't have multiple domain providers, it becomes a hassle.. so the chances are they used the same registrar.
The Main BARACK OBAMA site is using Godaddy as their registrar and uses DomainControl.com as their DNS… pretty generic.. as anyone can pretty much do that…
Now were it get's interesting is the other contenders…
Domain Name: BARACKOBAMA.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Name Server: NS05.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS06.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
It appears OBAMASEBELIUS.COM is owned by the Obama Campaign, and the ‘hidden' registration will turn into a website after the announcement. Our lead noted that a site is already being designed .. and advertising agencies are always full of leaks. Again file as rumor until verified…
We will compare the evidence we are allowed to show you without anyone getting fired.
So lets compare our suspect:
Domain Name: OBAMASEBELIUS.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Name Server: NS03.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS04.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Posted by Metteyya at 08/19/2008 @ 8:49pm
So far a perfect match for Kathleen Sebelius
But let's research this more as there are other contenders out there that could have the exact same output. Let's look at Joe Biden.
Domain Name: OBAMABIDEN.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Name Server: NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Sounds good so far.. until you see this:
Registrant: LYLE DEAN 1571 CHURCH ST SAN FRANCISCO, California 94131 United States
That's a show stopper… because there is no way that Obama would allow this to happen with the domain name owned by someone else with unknown political views that could turn it into a porn site.
So let's check Senator Evan Bayh, as a potential candidate.
Domain Name: OBAMABAYH.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Name Server: NS1.COFFEYDESIGN.COM Name Server: NS2.COFFEYDESIGN.COM
Nameservers don't match, and to make it worse.. the site goes to an RSS parser.. and nothing more.
So let's try Tim Kaine
Domain Name: OBAMAKAINE.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Name Server: CPNS01.SECURESERVER.NET Name Server: CPNS02.SECURESERVER.NET
Nameservers don't match as well… however the registrar does.
This is possible, however unlikely. The chances are the same group that built BARACKOBAMA.COM will be building the new site. So the chances are that they are all going to be roughly identical.
This evidence isn't conclusive with what is currently available, but the signs do point to Kathleen Sebelius.
Now coupled that with the lead we got.. and we feel there is well over a 50% chance that she will be Obama's vice president.
Enjoy the speculation.
Posted by Metteyya at 08/19/2008 @ 8:55pm
Sebelius... Dick Morris has written that he believes the reason that Obama is not polling as well as he "should" (given Bush's unpopularity, the Iraq war, the economy, etc.) is that Obama is doing particularly poorly for a Democrat among older women (which makes some sense, as they were obviously Hilary's key constituency).
So, maybe Sebelius addresses that problem. She's not going to win him Kansas. She's not going to add any foreign policy credentials to the ticket. Although, maybe that's a good thing -- Biden actually outshines Obama a little too much in foreign policy, IMHO.
Posted by Gullible at 08/19/2008 @ 9:07pm
Well, if it's Sebelius...
HSUBFOOLS will start praying she turns out to be A MAN, BABY!!!!!
heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 9:13pm
Well, if it's Sebelius... HSUBFOOLS will start praying she turns out to be A MAN, BABY!!!!! heheh Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 9:13pm
Just wondering how long you can go w/out meds and your delusional state be irreversible. Maybe it's you that should be praying...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 9:20pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 9:20pm
HSUB, I'm just going by what YOU said this afternoon.
Your "plan" by which Obama's Veep implodes and he goes beggin' to Al to step in and save his campaign.
So...if it's Sebelius....naturally the only way our scenario works out is if Sebelius is turned into "Thomas Eagleton" or something, right???
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 9:53pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 08/19/2008 @ 9:36pm
I don't think anything says more than...
HAPP's political mentors being Rush and Ralph!
ROFLMAO!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 9:55pm
They care more about cheap gas, abortion and gay marriage, one side or the other.
Posted by ReverendWrithe at 08/19/2008
not really:
5. How important will each of the following issues be to your vote for President next year -- will it be -- extremely important, very important, moderately important, or not that important? (RANDOMIZE ORDER)
Extremely Very Moderately Not that No Important Important Important Important Opinion
The situation in Iraq 51% 37% 9% 2% *
Terrorism 45% 35% 14% 6% *
Education 44% 37% 16% 3% *
Health care 43% 35% 18% 4% *
Gas prices 43% 31% 16% 10% 1%
Corruption and ethical standards in government 41% 36% 17% 7% *
The situation in Iran 38% 39% 17% 5% 1%
Social Security and Medicare 38% 37% 20% 4% *
The economy 33% 46% 16% 4% *
Illegal immigration 31% 32% 26% 10% 1%
Taxes 30% 40% 23% 6% 1%
The federal budget deficit 30% 34% 26% 9% 2%
Global warming 27% 26% 27% 19% 1%
Abortion 27% 24% 24% 24% 1%
Gun policy 26% 26% 29% 17% 2%
Stem cell research 20% 28% 28% 21% 3%
Policies toward gays and lesbians 13% 15% 30% 41% 1%
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/05/09/rel6e.pdf
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/19/2008 @ 10:07pm
I am beginning to think it'll be Hillary, mostly because Obama is not enjoying the favorable ratings that everybody had assumed he would have and one way of getting them is to engage reluctant Democrats and independents who favored her in the primaries. In a way it is a somewhat bitter realization because Hillary's followers are placing their parrochial whims over the good of the party and the country. And also because many will see the hands of the Clintons behind this.
Posted by carlosbas at 08/19/2008 @ 10:26pm
RE: Veepstakes ...
Well, if I were HRC, I wouldn't accept the offer. Veep? Duh, what's that? And why joint a loser ticket?
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Nader predicts Obama to pick Clinton By: John F. Harris August 19, 2008 09:30 PM EST
Count Ralph Nader as unimpressed by the crop of supposed finalists to be Barack Obama's running mate.
"I don't think he's that dumb," said Nader, commenting on widespread speculation that Obama's choices are down to Sens. Joe Biden, Evan Bayh, or Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.
The smart pick, according to Nader, is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Nader phoned into Politico Tuesday afternoon to offer his prediction that a surprise nod to Clinton is actually what Obama has in store--never mind the talk of mistrust between the Clintons and Obama.
"He just has to swallow hard and do what JFK did" in picking rival Lyndon Johnson in 1960, said the liberal activist and maverick presidential candidate.
Posted by HelenDAO at 08/19/2008 @ 10:29pm
RE: Perhaps ...
Well, if I were HRC, I wouldn't accept the offer. Veep? Duh, what's that? And why joint a loser ticket?
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Nader predicts Obama to pick Clinton By: John F. Harris August 19, 2008 09:30 PM EST
Count Ralph Nader as unimpressed by the crop of supposed finalists to be Barack Obama's running mate.
"I don't think he's that dumb," said Nader, commenting on widespread speculation that Obama's choices are down to Sens. Joe Biden, Evan Bayh, or Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.
The smart pick, according to Nader, is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Nader phoned into Politico Tuesday afternoon to offer his prediction that a surprise nod to Clinton is actually what Obama has in store--never mind the talk of mistrust between the Clintons and Obama.
"He just has to swallow hard and do what JFK did" in picking rival Lyndon Johnson in 1960, said the liberal activist and maverick presidential candidate.
Posted by HelenDAO at 08/19/2008 @ 10:31pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 9:20pm
HSUB, I'm just going by what YOU said this afternoon.
Your "plan" by which Obama's Veep implodes and he goes beggin' to Al to step in and save his campaign.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 9:53pm
You delusionally imbed just a bit too much do you not? I would not pray for something 'bad' to happen as you do, I stated in the 1st part 'anything is possible' to make Al the VP and then I stated the odds at 50/50 that an un-vetted VP- not Al, could do an Eagleton and resign and then I answered what you asked about in the 2nd paragraph:
"Anything's possible of course, but you're asking probability. So if Al is the VP pick, I'd say, 100% win in November. If not Al, 50/50 that something a la Eagleton, happens to the VP, motivating Al to serve a 2nd VP, but only as a sweeten virtual co-president.
Ok, ok I know what you're asking, odds on it coming out publicly that Al was asked to be Obama's VP. Oh, same odds as hsuB/cHeney admitting to have created a petty dic'tatorship of our gov...
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 3:23pm
That 50% means there's just as much a chance it won't happen as well. So you're hard pressed to paint me as fanatical as FrGr. Yet you do sound somewhat fanatical in your approach.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 10:35pm
Falling from laughable to ridiculous:
Is that Kennedy daughter Obama veting team head? What'd she know? And are we just a crony cabal?
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"Caroline: Pull a Cheney!" An Open Letter to Caroline Kennedy (head of the Obama VP search team) from Michael Moore
Dear Caroline,
We've never met, so I hope you don't find this letter too presumptuous or inappropriate. As its contents involve the public's business, I am sending this to you via the public on the Internet. I knew your brother John. He was a great guy, and I know he would've had a ball during this thrilling and historic election year. We all miss him dearly.
Barack Obama selected you to head up his search for a vice presidential candidate. It appears we may be just days (hours?) away from learning who that choice will be.
Posted by HelenDAO at 08/19/2008 @ 10:44pm
Posted by HelenDAO at 08/19/2008 @ 10:31pm
Even better...now HAPP in with HELEN DAO!
LOL!!!!
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 10:50pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/19/2008 @ 10:35pm
I'll wait and see, HSUB.
You don't spend YEARS thinking the sun rises and sets on somebody (as you do with Gore, as FRANK does with Hillary)....
and just "let it go" when it becomes even painfully obvious to everybody else it isn't going to happen.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 10:52pm
Well, that's a pleasant suprise. It's been said that McCain is American first and Republican second. Now I believe that's a dream ticket. Obama - Biden? Spare me.
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McCain weighs a Lieberman surprise By: Mike Allen and Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns August 19, 2008 05:13 PM EST
John McCain is seriously considering choosing a pro-abortion-rights running mate despite vocal resistance from conservatives, with former Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) very much in the mix, close McCain advisers say.
Under strong consideration: former Pennsylvania Republican Gov. Tom Ridge, and Lieberman, who was Al Gore's running mate in 2000.
Multiple GOP sources say that party officials in Washington and in the states have been contacted by the McCain campaign in the past two weeks and asked about the fallout from such a choice. One person familiar with the calls said the party was being instructed to prepare for different candidate prototypes -- including one in the mold of Lieberman, who is an independent but still caucuses with the Democrats.
Posted by HelenDAO at 08/19/2008 @ 11:05pm
THE KEY WORD IS "GRAVITAS"!!!
WHO GIVES BARACK "GRAVITAS"?
WHO CAN COVER HIS THIN RESUME?
WHO GIVES HIM FOREIGN POLICY CRED??
BIDEN!!!!!
(THO I'D PERSONALLY PREFER BAYH)
Posted by marbiol at 08/19/2008 @ 11:07pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/19/2008 @ 10:52pm
Your empathy with yourself is telling.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/20/2008 @ 01:23am
WHO GIVES BARACK "GRAVITAS"?
Posted by marbiol at 08/19/2008 @ 11:07pm
Al Gore
HELLO
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/20/2008 @ 01:37am
Posted by john lowell at 08/19/2008 @ 12:03pm
Uh...because Georgia WANTS in NATO? So then you're against nations wanting to join a predominantly democratic league of nations?
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/20/2008 @ 06:07am
JOMAMMA, I'm sorry, did you actually compare Biden's so-called "plagiarism" to Chappaquiddick?!?!?!?
You've GOT to be kidding me.
Kennedy, convicted or not, was guilty of negligent homicide. That's legalese for "Oops, I killed them."
Biden referenced a speech he had referenced AND attributed several times. The ONE time he didn't attribute it was the sole cause of the "plagiarism" charge.
Hardly the same thing, is it?
"In the mold of Teddy"?!?!? You're only making yourself look short-sighted.
As far as Biden's qualifications go, I wouldn't characterize serving for decades on both the Senate Foreign Relations and Judiciary Committees as being "...on a tour plane for 30 years..."
And in all seriousness, neither would you, would you?
You're obviously CAPABLE of being insightful and articulate, so why not step up and BE THAT?
Don't like 'em? Fine. But if you're going to attack them, at least make an attempt at cleverness.
Posted by infocus at 08/20/2008 @ 06:45am
Hey, how come Obama is not considering John Edwards as VP? I've been reading all the major newspapers, and watching all the network news broadcasts, and I can't seem to see or hear a thing about him anymore. And he has done such a wonderful job of standing by his wife in her time of tribulation! Seems to me, he would make such a fine complement to Barack! Anybody know why he seems to have disappeared from the news?
Posted by pontificus at 08/20/2008 @ 07:30am
Posted by pontificus at 08/20/2008 @ 07:30am
Hey, McCain could pick somebody who cheated on his stricken wife with another younger woman....
Ooops, wait....he can't pick himself, can he?
LOL
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/20/2008 @ 08:48am
Just wondering why nobody seems to be talking about Wesley Clark... he's currently third in The Nation's informal poll on the VP choice. He's smart and can claim foreign policy gravitas. Wasn't he the top commander of NATO? What am I missing here?
Posted by lindenbully at 08/20/2008 @ 11:51am
Posted by pontificus at 08/20/2008 @ 07:30am
Kind of like how your Presidential Nominee McCain stood by his wife when she got in that car accident right? I mean he didn't care about being rich. Or having a young a beautiful wife. Nooo. He loved his wife and wanted to stay with only her....
Oops.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/20/2008 @ 11:59am
Posted by lindenbully at 08/20/2008 @ 11:51am
He doesn't fetch the women folk.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 08/20/2008 @ 1:36pm