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RedditJohn McCain's frivolous and "childish" new attack ad against Barack Obama is the now the talk of the punditocracy, proving how low our political discourse has fallen.
But McCain's "celeb" ad quickly drew a sharp response from both the Obama campaign and his supporters, where it was dismantled as factually inaccurate and in very poor taste. A new spot from the Obama campaign, "Low Road," accused McCain of "practicing the politics of the past."
Obama's ad is not particularly compelling, but does further the Obama campaign's new contention that McCain is playing in the gutter.
Shortly thereafter MoveOn.org debuted an ad, with a middle-aged McCain supporter expressing his disappointment at McCain's "gimmick."
Not to be outdone, filmmaker Robert Greenwald compiled a clip of prominent media figures panning McCain in recent days.
All of these ads combined will not draw as much attention as the original McCain attack ad, proving that in a hyper-metabolized media culture, purposely provocative material often has its intended effect. The facts become irrelevant and all that matters is that we're talking about the charge. Such subterfuge is one of the oldest tricks in the Republican book.
It's impossible to know yet whether McCain's embrace of Rovian politics will ultimately help him capture the White House. "[McCain] has no choice if he wants to win but to convince the American people that Obama is not fit [to be president]," Quinnipiac pollsters Peter Brown and Clay Richards said today. "He has to run a negative campaign if he wants to win." According to Gallup's daily tracking poll, Obama's nine point lead on Monday has evaporated to a mere point. In the short term, such statistics will help validate the conventional wisdom that McCain's attacks are keeping the race close and driving the media narrative.
But there's a flipside. Bill and Hillary Clinton's attacks on Obama often made them appear petulant, divisive and resentful of the new kid on the scene, preaching unity and hope. These days McCain seems far angrier and more desperate than the Clintons ever did. With an already combustible temper, the aging warrior looks like he's about ready to burst.
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HAPPY:
I am not sure exactly what you were trying to say... but I'm still convinced is was nonsense.
Posted by jorcheim at 07/31/2008 @ 4:10pm
Ok then, the Two White Girls/Obama/Big Phallic Symbol/Oil ad, only has to be viewed without the sound to understand what it's getting at. See it 10 times without the sound frame by frame. Now with the sound... Get it? Just some more old fashion media manipulation.
SUBLIMINALLINESS
McC ad edits
Intro:
1. spreading open the green crowd pan
2. camera flashes
3. two pop white girls (find)
4. overlay Obama walking into the crowd
5. cut to Obama lifting arm high and saying ___
6. cut to crowd all lifting arms in a fist
Meat:
1. cut to Obama reaching for the crowd
2. mix flashes to complete white frame
3. one flash blot out Obama's whole face
4. cut to Obama shaking hands
5. overlay Obama's face w/emerging phallic
6. cut to Obama next to phallic
7. from phallic enlarge: IS HE READY TO LEAD?
8. simultaneously darken sky
8. w/transparent black man in crowd on left
9. overlay to spreading open the green again
10. pan up to big phallic and turn sky yellow
11. cut to crowd and pan to Obama on podium
12. from red banners in back of crowd enlarge:
12. NO OFFSHORE DRILLING as Obama turns away
13. superimpose Obama and NO OFFSHORE
14. switch words to enlarge NEW TAXES
15. fade Obama into crowd enlarge words even more
16. pan to crowd and growing phallic
17. simultaneously enlarge NEW TAXES even more
18. turn sky red
Closing:
1. fade to Obama close-up perching lips
2. as Obama quickly turns opening his mouth
3. completely blacken the frame
4. slowly bring smiling Obama close-up
4, simultaneously with HIGHER TAXES
5. switch words to MORE FOREIGN OIL
6. fade words
6. leave big smiling Obama close-up
Epilog
1. cut to McC graphic
2. McC close-up, the good side?
3. required blah blah blah
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 4:16pm
Whatever campaign Mack runs, its success depend on the reaction the Magic camp provides, all free of charge to McCain.....ain't America great?---Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/31/2008 @ 4:00pm
Actually, for once, HAPPY is right.
And it's going to be BAD for Maverick John.
As noted in the article, Hillary and Bill tried that with Obama and it blew up in their faces. Everytime (except Pennsylvania where he lost badly) Obama's strategy was to let Hillary engage in her attacks (through surrogates of course...another mistake McCain is making doing it himself)...
then refer to it as the "old politics"...laugh it off...and appear even MORE above the fray, while his opponent appeared (as noted) angry and VERY desperate.
In McCain's case, it will likely continue and the net effect will be WORSE than it was for Hillary, because he'll drive more of his own camp (like the man in the video or former strategist John Weaver) against him.
The HAPP/LVLIB/FRANKGRITS Crowd will eat it up...but they're the base and weren't going anywhere anyway.
McCain needs the moderates, Independents, the Center...and this...plus Obama's cool and SMART counter-strategy...will lose them for "Maverick".
You're right, HAPP...ain't America great?
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 4:18pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/31/2008 @ 4:24pm
I keep it in mind everytime (in a moment of "trying to sound reasonable") Maverick John discusses "working with our allies" and "forming an international partnership to fight terrorism".
When he does, you're all for "the Europeans liking him"....when you need to go on a "freedom fries" bender, you don't.
Come on, HAPP...you and I are agreeing for once. Keep Maverick fighting dirty and throwing EVERYTHING he can at Obama.
We just disagree on the net effect.
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 4:30pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/31/2008 @ 4:00pm | ignore this person | warn this person
that makes lots of sense.
there's so many new and unknown variables in this race and any presidential race at this point is still completely up in the air. its august 1...and neither convention has even happened yet.
then we add in obama's ethnicity and people's disgust at the current administration and who knows?
it is getting interesting, isn't it?
i'm hoping the mccain stupid attack does not end up appealing to the stupid vote too much (hey stupid! vote for me!) but you never know - we DID re-elect the king of mushmouthed stupidity himself in 04, so stupidity is a factor.
how big a factor?????
??????
and race is a factor too - but
a) how much
b) and in what way...
again - answer...
???????????
Posted by ibbleblibble at 07/31/2008 @ 4:32pm
BTW, noted on another thread...
CNN polling yesterday-
TWENTY-SEVEN PERCENT (27%) of Americans believe that "Obama disrespected the troops in Germany by not visting them at the hospital".
27%...let's say that again...27%.
That's Bush's approval number.
Keep at it, Maverick John!
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 4:35pm
HAPPY:
Actually, practically every person in the US has some "Euro blood" in them. Perhaps if you knew your history better, you would know that.
And as far as 90% of Europeans favoring Obama over McCain, that shouldn't come as a surprise to you either. The average European is MUCH better educated than the average American... case in point, you.
Posted by jorcheim at 07/31/2008 @ 4:35pm
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rcv
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 4:41pm
Oh this is rich:
McCain Camp: Obama Playing The Race Card
MIKE GLOVER | July 31, 2008 03:23 PM EST
http://tinyurl.com/5t2jfk
This after McC put out a sneaky subliminal backdoor Willie Horton ad on Obama.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 4:47pm
well, when you have no idea what you're doing (i.e. mccain), and have run out of good arguments ("i would have gone into iraq even if saddam didn't have weapons"), it makes sense to start pushing and shoving.
what sort of warped, twisted, ,f*cked up mind admits he would have made the same mistake TWICE? and cost the US govt trillions of dollars?
how stupid does mccain think the average voter is?
are americans really that stupid?
i'm starting to wonder.....
so, when we city people criticize rural folk for being stupid, do we have an argument? more or less?
Posted by darladoon at 07/31/2008 @ 5:46pm
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 4:47pm
Bunch of whiners eh?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 6:06pm
Posted by darladoon at 07/31/2008 @ 5:46pm
Most rural folk are more used to other honest folk and being told the truth. I used sell $500 rural to 50 city / a day consistently, cold call insurance, when I was younger. But I would not call rural folk dumber necessarily. I think they just have to be educated to the lack of honesty, high level of ineptitude and evilness of the new con repubs-- that's all.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 6:06pm
Not nice to speak badly of the brain dead , but McCain really is senile.
Posted by julien38 at 07/31/2008 @ 6:28pm
nation,
every time i log in,
my computer(s) tell me your security certificate is invalid.
please fix this.
thanks,
fz
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 6:45pm
so, when we city people criticize rural folk for being stupid, do we have an argument? more or less?
Posted by darladoon at 07/31/2008 @ 5:46pm
if you have 300 million grains of sand,
can you make a generalization by looking at two of them?
at 100,000?
also, the closer you look, the more individual each grain becomes.
plus, smart at what, voting?
arguments can be made for voters stupidity across all demographic lines.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 6:48pm
Happy-Are you sober?Lately,your posts are sounding more nonsensical.Some are close to being gibberish.
Posted by i'm nobody at 07/31/2008 @ 7:10pm
Sister & Brother progs, do please ignore the paid provocateurs.
And the summer polls.
And the splutter of McC ads.
Save yourselves for the polls after the 1st TV debate ... when all will be revealed.
Meanwhile, keep the heat on Obama, let him know he does not get a free pass from progressives, not now, not in the fall, not after Jan.20th.
Posted by sloper at 07/31/2008 @ 7:10pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/31/2008 @ 6:59pm
Give it some time, HAPP.
You think McCain will go up more with his new "McNasty" routine...I think not.
Let's see how the polls are in 2 weeks and then decide?
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 7:28pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/31/2008 @ 6:59pm
That net effect happened after every Hillary attack. Look what happened to her.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 7:39pm
I mean honestly. How many states was Hillary supposed to win right after her attacks on Obama. Every time she would launch an attack and the press would latch to it. Saying that voters in the state had taken it up as serious. Only to find iout that state went to Obama.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 7:41pm
http://tinyurl.com/6rgfce
This is why I couldn't care WHAT polls say. If you put them all together and match them against state polls they say something different. This guy has increased his projected Obama win.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 7:47pm
In actuality I can only hope Obama falls behind. McCain will get some of that media attention he is craving and it will be the worst thing for his campaign. His campaign benefits from not having a lot of attention given it. The more attention the media pays to McCain the less the American people will like him.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/31/2008 @ 7:48pm
For me, McCain lost all credibility and relevance back in 2000 when he caved to Rove politics and became Bush's lap dog. He's no more a maverick than I am superman. BTW, he's quite fond of saying he knows how to win wars (something he doesn't read from a card), but I wonder what wars did he actually (or help) win. Now, he is just a pandering old man (fool) who'll do and say anything to be elected, as if it's his right.
Posted by drkenne at 07/31/2008 @ 8:05pm
Happ.. Yes!! If it is your intention of coming across as a nutty, non-sensical right-wing ditto head, then BRAVO !! Keep up the good work.
If you were on the Mccain campaign staff, is desperate a term you'd want being tossed around the office..? Do you think the staff enjoys "being the underdog"..? Being DESPERATE..? Oh really, they do ..??
Wasnt Mcaain on a few TV shows ..?? 24..? among others..? Does that make him a Hollywood Elite..?? So its smart and prudent to attack President Obama because he's popular with most of the world (I took a Poll 15 min ago, trust me) ??
Mccain is a joke... You know it Happ... And YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED...
Ya know what they say... Once you go black, you never go back... Hide your daughters happy...
Posted by Vvf1969 at 07/31/2008 @ 8:39pm
And thus a big phallic ad with Obama and two white girls... about IS HE READY, FOREIGN OIL and TAXES
And McCancer is proud of it...
Ssssickkoooo
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 9:03pm
Aaahh good OLD red meat anti-intelligence from the new con repubs destroyers of the USA.
You really think it's working for you do you?
Delusional too.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 9:21pm
And here the kind of sickness that pervades the usual tweedledum and tweedledee non-event that American elections have become: The daily exchange of he-called-him-this, he-called-him-that vacuity. The stage craft involved in all of emptiness has not been second rate, however. Given how the system has evolved over the course of my lifetime, the role of the so-called "opposition party" transformed now in such a way as to act as a kind of sponge blotting up public rage with its reigning partner only then to eviscerate this rage and disgorge it through some wormhole into another dimension, one sees with increasing clarity the ugly sell-out of the public involved. Any voter still gullible enough to see a genuine promise of change in a contest consisting of Barak Obama and John McCain simply doesn't understand what's happened to our country over the last several decades. Barak Obama IS John McCain and John McCain IS Barak Obama. If you must vote and you are a progressive, vote Nader.
Posted by john lowell at 07/31/2008 @ 9:26pm
I liked John McCain Model 2000. I wouldn't have picked him over Gore, but thought he would be an excellwnt Seretary of Defense in either administration.
But McCain Model 2008. My God, after what his own party, Karl Rove and the right wing Evangelicals did to him I expected him to lay GWB out flat when he kissed him.(Ewww...now there was an unpleasant moment to squirm though).
The North Vietnamese couldn't break McCain with torture and now here he is apparently without an ounce of pride left. Makes you wonder what kind of deal he made with these devils....
Posted by Pogge at 07/31/2008 @ 9:49pm
""I have not been in talks with The New York Times. They've been communicating with our staff and with us," McCain said. "I've never done any favors for anybody -- lobbyist or special-interest group -- that's a clear, 24-year record."
McCain and four other senators were accused two decades ago of trying to influence banking regulators on behalf of Charles Keating, a savings-and- loan financier later convicted of securities fraud. The Senate Ethics Committee said McCain had used "poor judgment" but also said his actions "were not improper" and warranted no penalty."
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/217196
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 10:04pm
"And I'm proud to tell you, Chris, in 24 years as a member of Congress, I have never asked for nor received a single earmark or pork barrel project for my state and I guarantee you I'll veto those bills. I'll ask for the line item veto and I'll veto them and I'll make the authors of them famous."
McCain's claim is false. In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. Even Arizona lawmaker, Rep. Jeff Flake (R), said he was planning to "lean against the measure." The National Taxpayers Union, another traditional McCain ally, questioned why the senator was making federal taxpayers foot the bill for the center.
In 2003, McCain also slipped $14.3 million into a defense appropriations bill to create a buffer zone around Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 10:11pm
BTW can we assume that McCancer is over the SURGE is all we need to know about the success of the Iraq war - phase?
Just so you know as the new new con repub talking point about surge success and lowest numbers arrives--
there were more casualties in the 1st 6 months of '2008'
than the were in the 1st '7', yes '7' months of the Iraq war
in 2003
Yup, to new con repubs-- that's suc'cess... Kinda makes one wonder why they like dic'tatorship...
Posted by hsuBfools at 07/31/2008 @ 10:39pm
Posted by john lowell at 07/31/2008 @ 9:26pm
Oh, goody. john lowell is back to demand "purity" from the progressives....
with a PROMISE that he'll vote for Baldwin!
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 10:51pm
oh yeah,
they found water on mars.
well, duh.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 10:55pm
drill drill drill.
yeah, drill a hole in the fed!
<<<<For example, if the greenback had held its January 2001 value against the euro, oil would have traded at about $76 a barrel in May 2008.
This is almost $50 below the price that crude oil was trading at in May 2008.
Accordingly, the decline of the dollar's value accounted for a whopping 51% of the $97 a barrel increase in the price of oil from May 2003-2008.>>>>
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 11:16pm
meanwhile, back on earth:
Afghan father wants revenge for children's deaths
Last Updated: Thursday, July 31, 2008 | 2:53 PM ET
CBC News
The father of two children shot to death by Canadian troops in Afghanistan said Thursday he would "kill the Canadians" if he gets the chance.
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/31/2008 @ 11:48pm
John is almost amusing with his insistence upon the progressive purity of Nader and completely ignoring the option of Cynthia McKinney, who is equally as progressive and, well, at least aware that we're in the 21st Century.
On topic: Grandpa had better start giving reasons why folks should vote for him or he's pretty much toast.
Posted by yutsano at 07/31/2008 @ 11:51pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/31/2008 @ 10:51pm
"Oh, goody. john lowell is back to demand "purity" from the progressives...."
This a different incarnation, Maskdelta? Wasn't it Maskdeka or Maskca-ca or something earlier? All set to watch Obama do a shell game with the troops in Iraq, little fella, out of Iraq, into Afghanistan and all in 16 months? Will you cheer him on with the rest of the filth like Pelosi and Steny as he sends these kids off to their deaths? Obama is just the left side of the imperial snake, a necessary counterpart to the system's usual election year kabuki dance with a partner from the right. Will Obama treat the Iranian question any differently than has Bush. He's certainly as irresponsibly bellicose. Is he going to take us to war with Iran when they tell him to stick his complaints about their peaceful nuclear program in his ear? Are we going to be able to draft you when that time comes? Yeah, we sure need more "purity" alright, more than he's got to offer. And with Obama holding only a one point lead now in the Gallup Poll, it becomes clear that his doing a fold on everything from FISA to campaign finance reform is having an impact on progressive voters. Many have had enough, so many in fact that Nader can look to embarrassing this little worm in more than one state. Progressives should support Nader.
Posted by john lowell at 07/31/2008 @ 11:59pm
Posted by yutsano at 07/31/2008 @ 11:51pm |
Well, yutsano, with Ralph you're dealing with the real McCoy, not the product of a party that sees its value as confined to instances where it won't impact the fortunes of the Democrats.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 12:11am
On topic: Grandpa had better start giving reasons why folks should vote for him or he's pretty much toast.
Posted by yutsano at 07/31/2008 @ 11:51pm
not at all.
the key to his "success" is to make people "see" that mr. obama's reasons are bad.
his reasons mean nothing.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 12:56am
Progressives should support Nader.
Posted by john lowell at 07/31/2008 @ 11:59pm
no.
mr. nader is great.
but he's not an actor.
the constitution says the president must be an actor.
hence our current melodrama.
"progressives"****** need to find a good actor. and they need to get that actor on t.v. everyday for at least 4 years.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:01am
******¡¡¡¡¡EUREKA!!!!!!******
Conservatives, Republican'ts to the occasional listener, are always trying to regain the past.
Liberals, Democan'ts to the glance-eyed, are always trying to create the future.
Neither of which are possible.
Therefore,
Today,
The Day of Now,
I,
frosty zoom,
Create,
The,
Third (real third),
Thought:
THE POLITICS OF NOW!
The Frostycan party pledges now to faithfully work now to create the best now for all humans and animals and plants and fungi (yes, even you ponti, you fun guy :=]) (ew! double chin)
because
NOW IS ALL WE GOT!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:09am
unless of course you look at something.
everything you see is in the past.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:10am
No Fiat Contributions Necessary.
For More Info,
Act Now!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:13am
Damn Rothberg!
Beat me to it again.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:13am
What you call the race card, I call the dismiss card. White middle class people, of whom I am one of, who do not want to deal with the "issues" that people of color have, tritely state, "they are playing the race card!" Call it what it is--the dismiss card. It is very much like white folks, of which I am one, stating that, "I don't see color!" What they do not realize is that, IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO NOT SEE COLOR!! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WHEN YOU ARE WHITE. If you think that the media is treating Obama the same way they are treating McCain, just ask yourself how the msm would have reacted if Obama would have mixed up the Sunni and Shia of Iraq. America, you are in denial. Yeah, it is a pain in the arse to accept the fact that there are uneducated, racist, and utterly unfair individuals in our country. Just because YOU ARE NOT A TARGET OF THEIR HATRED DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST!! You do not have to go any further than these blogs to see what I'm talking about. How about facing the TRUTH FOR ONCE AMERICA? You act like--I don't ever have a hate crime perpetrated against me because I'm cute, white, rich, and blonde! So there's no such thing as hate crimes! Then you are disingenuous and unaware of the world around you. REPUBLICANS ARE NOT EITHER. THEY PLAY TO UNINFORMED FEARS. Get over yourselves! It is the DISMISS CARD AND IT IS THE REPUBLICANS WHO PLAY IT!! CUT AND DRY, END OF STORY.
Please, don't do it again America. A tree will be known by its fruit, and they trashed our country!
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/01/2008 @ 01:16am
I'm cute, white, rich, and blonde!
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/01/2008 @ 01:16am
john mccain thinks you would make the perfect running mate for barack obama.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:39am
Please, don't do it again America. A tree will be known by its fruit, and they trashed our country!
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/01/2008 @ 01:16am
actually the previous clinton administration did its share of trashing as well.
remember the telecommunications act of 1996 (or 7 or 8)?
does glass-steagall-rubin mean ring a bell?
obviously not as worserest.
just sayin'
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:42am
minus mean
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 01:42am
Your sound bite arguments--that are not arguments at all--are as empty and hollow as all of your other posts.
Wow. Where would you be without complex thinkers and writers that offer fodder foe out of context assertions.
Pleeeeeeeeze.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/01/2008 @ 02:48am
It's amazing to me how middle of the road conservatives like Obama are portrayed as the liberal left nowadays. 45 years ago Obama would have been considered a conservative Democrat. The whole political landscape has stepped through the looking glass and gone down the rabbit hole.
If you want to see the liberal left take a look at Bernie Sanders, one of our best Senators. Or look in the history books to people like Eugene Debbs. The progressive movement is in reality just the socialist movement. But I dislike euphemisms, so I just call myself a Socialist.
Unfortunately though where the Republicans do cater to the religious right the Democrats act like the progressive left has the plague. That is a weakness and lack of huevos in the Democratic Party.
Posted by chaoszen at 08/01/2008 @ 07:00am
Posted by john lowell at 07/31/2008 @ 11:59pm
Sorry, lowell, but I just ain't buying it. You've admitted you're a social conservative ("pro-life") and CLAIM that you're just trying, on conservative blogs, to get them to vote for Chuck Baldwin...but I just doubt it.
And even if it's true, sorry, but no. Idiotic "pure progressives" throwing the election to McCain in a fit of pique and then saying "Oh, well, just wait until 2012 and the people will be ready for a REAL progressive"...is insanity. We've tried that for 8 years...we don't need to try it for 12, 16, ad nauseum.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 09:02am
Actually, practically every person in the US has some "Euro blood" in them. Perhaps if you knew your history better, you would know that.
And as far as 90% of Europeans favoring Obama over McCain, that shouldn't come as a surprise to you either. The average European is MUCH better educated than the average American... case in point, you.
Posted by jorcheim at 07/31/2008 @ 4:35pm
It is that European snobbery that will work against Obama. It is also one of the reasons our ancestors left Europe.
Why don't you move there if it is soooo much better Jorcheim. We can help you if you like.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/01/2008 @ 09:43am
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 09:02am
Yeah, I know what a human being is, I'll readily admit to that. But what's with the name change? Wasn't it Maskdekka or Maskca-ca earlier? You haven't tried to erase your finger-prints as well, have you? :-)
Baldwin fairs poorly on conservative blogs, more prefer Barr. While he's perfectly acceptable to me on social questions and the war, there a good bit of cockamamie on certain things, the UN, and Social Security among them. And Barr won't deny signing a check paying for an abortion his ex-wife is said to have had several years ago. If he did, he's two things: (1) formally complicit morally in an evil act, (2) a 24 carat phony. I can't vote for either Baldwin or Barr, but for those conservatives that plan to vote they should vote for Baldwin.
And speaking of cockamamie, no one cares about throwing the election to McCain. It makes no difference if its McCain or Obama that wins anyway. They are both just the most vile bacteria. A vote for Nader stands by itself, has no reference whatsoever to Obama. That kind of confusion only exist in the minds of children like you who can't break the illusion that there's a democracy out there that they're supporting. On that score, wait a little longer until this financial crisis both system parties helped create matures. Then it might dawn on you that its them vs. us, not one of them vs. us.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 10:10am
It is that European snobbery that will work against Obama. It is also one of the reasons our ancestors left Europe.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/01/2008 @ 09:43am | ignore this person | warn this person
european snobbery or ignorant philistine american provincialism?
FREEDOM FRIES! HOOOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEE!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/01/2008 @ 10:10am
It makes no difference if its McCain or Obama that wins anyway.----Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 10:10am
How many people, even die-hard Naderites like our local CRABWALK, REALLY think that "it would have made no difference if it was GORE or Bush" in 2000?
A handful? A few really wackadoodle types who think that "Gore would have invaded Iraq...paid for it on debt...let New Orleans go under....appointed Sam Alito...etc....etc."?
You and them have a nice Election Day, lowell.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 10:40am
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 10:40am
Gore was and is every bit the toad that was and is Bush. Who could ever forget his personally menacing Bush during that one debate in 2000. What a absolute jackass! No one could be more "system" than Al Gore, inheriting his political career as he did from a long line of vermin. Do you really think Gore would have had the courage to oppose AIPAC about invading Iraq any more than, say, Obama has today about attacking Iran? AIPAC simply took him out before he got the chance, knowing what a Bush/Cheney Administration would look like. Gore would have invaded Iraq with or without 9/11. Trust me, he'd have listened very carefully to his masters voice if he'd been president and he would have obeyed.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 11:14am
It is also one of the reasons our ancestors left Europe.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/01/2008 @ 09:43am
plus, there was a brand new continent to rape!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:36am
europeans are generally better educated.
george bush congratulated prime minister "poutine*" of canada in 2000.
canada is the u.s.'s largest trading partner.
*Poutine (Quebec French pronunciation putsɪn (help·info)) is a dish consisting of French fries topped with fresh cheese curds, covered with brown gravy and sometimes other additional ingredients.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:41am
Wow. Where would you be without complex thinkers and writers that offer fodder foe out of context assertions.
Pleeeeeeeeze.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/01/2008 @ 02:48am
well, well.
that wasn't very nice.
mr. clinton did much damage. you check it out, brainiac.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:42am
It is that European snobbery that will work against Obama. It is also one of the reasons our ancestors left Europe.
Why don't you move there if it is soooo much better Jorcheim. We can help you if you like.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 08/01/2008 @ 09:43am
duh.
you are european.
you speak a european language. you wear european clothes. you worship a european* god. you have european mores.
*israel, blah, blah. it's a european god.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:45am
It makes no difference if its McCain or Obama that wins anyway
by john lowell.
yes, it does.
worser is definitely less badder than worsererest.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:46am
until this financial crisis both system parties helped create matures.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 10:10am
find a better actor than nader.
plus, you're voting mccain, anyway.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:48am
A few really wackadoodle types who think that "Gore would have invaded Iraq...paid for it on debt...
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 10:40am
actually, mr. gore's entire stay in the white house consisted of daily attacks on iraq paid for by debt.
i bet he would have invaded, too.
he just would have formed a better "coalition of the somewhat more willing".
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:50am
Gore would have invaded Iraq with or without 9/11. Trust me, he'd have listened very carefully to his masters voice if he'd been president and he would have obeyed.----Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 11:14am
Hoped to draw that out...and show how truly NUTS you were.
i bet he would have invaded, too.-----Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:50am
FROSTY, you slipping the bonds of sanity.
I realize you've now leaped in with both feet into the pool of "ALL the American politicians are exactly the same and will be just as bad as any other, Republican or Democrat".....
but to join in with a nutjob like lowell who thinks that GORE would have invaded Iraq (given all we know about how Bush was pushing Blair for SOME way to incite the Iraqis and create a pretext, etc.)...
and the man's post-Presidential career...it's not just crazy, it's ILLOGICAL.
Why is Gore allowing himself to be the target of mockery and "Manbearpig" satire to keep hammering away at global warming (a la "Inconvenient Truth")?
Would BUSH do that too? Why not? Supposedly (according to lowell and now you) they're "just the same", right?
Why did Gore come out FORCIFULLY against the war, earlier than Hillary...almost as early as Obama....if "he would have done the same thing and WANTED to do the same thing"?
Seriously man, I realize that America is not going to become Sweden or even Canada as you like...and we're not breeding a crop of Lincolns, Jeffersons, even Roosevelts for your liking...
and while I admire and participate in cynicism....
crazy ass cynicism like "They're ALL...EXACTLY the same" just makes you look dumb.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 12:24pm
crazy ass cynicism like "They're ALL...EXACTLY the same" just makes you look dumb.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 12:24pm | ignore this person | warn this person
the audacity of hope!!! lol
but yeah...too much cynicism aids and abets evil. obama's mantra of realistic optimism and hope is EXACTLY what the country needs right now.
as i've said before i don't agree with everything he has done, everything he stands for, nor of everyone with whom he associates...
BUT SO WHAT?
his struggle is herculean and he's doing the best he can to obtain a position of power from which he can actually affect real change.
jeez...what do folks expect? everything they want, right now???
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/01/2008 @ 1:37pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 11:50am
"actually, mr. gore's entire stay in the white house consisted of daily attacks on iraq paid for by debt.
i bet he would have invaded, too."
Ah, yes, the perceptive frosty zoom. Who can forget the memorable attacks on Iraq during Clinton's impeachment period. How many kids died in that butchery? Gore was and is simply the most detestable worm. And the palpably adolescent here and elsewhere accord him the status of prophet? The stomach turns considering it.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 2:30pm
what mr. gore may or may not have done is pure speculation.
he certainly said some pro-attacksaddam things throught the years.
and the no-fly fiasco.
i do think he would have been better than bush.
and he may have invaded.
who knows?
i don't really trust the man.
as to america:
i will say the same thing i said to mexicans,
"i will never judge a people by its government because the ideals of the two are generally polar opposites."
america rocks.
politicians are rarely to be trusted, anywhere.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 2:34pm
and i don't trust john lowell, either.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 2:35pm
and i don't trust john lowell, either.----Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 2:35pm
Well, atleast you haven't completely lost it!
GOP poser still a possibility, I think.
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 2:38pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/01/2008 @ 2:35pm
"and i don't trust john lowell, either"
Aw, frosty. Now you've gone and bruised my carefully cultured sensibilities. I'll take expressions of regret right here on this blog, thank you.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 2:51pm
Are we at all surprised that McCain is pulling a "Rove"?
Posted by leftofcenter at 08/01/2008 @ 6:52pm
Who can forget the memorable attacks on Iraq during Clinton's impeachment period. How many kids died in that butchery? Gore was and is simply the most detestable worm. And the palpably adolescent here and elsewhere accord him the status of prophet? The stomach turns considering it.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 2:30pm | ignore this person | warn this person
oh come now! those were indeed the good old days. i don't care who was prez, hussein is the one responsible for those periodic missile lobbings.
they sure were a hell of a lot more cost effective than the stupid invasion - and there was no al qaeda in iraq!!!
but sometimes slaughtering the women and children of a dangerous and evil dictator's people along with as many of the adult male military population is just unavoidable. the blame goes not on the women and children killer, but on the tyrant who provoked such unfortunate actions, and although mushmouth's splendid little war was far and away about the stupidest, dimly wicked bloody little fiasco into which we have bumbled in our entire history (except perhaps the war of 1812...)...
the previous policy of lobbing a few missiles into iraq whenever that monster hussein started acting up was smart, right, and justified.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/01/2008 @ 7:33pm
Gore was and is simply the most detestable worm. And the palpably adolescent here and elsewhere accord him the status of prophet? The stomach turns considering it.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 2:30pm
BWAHAHAahahahahah
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Thanks!
Gotta hand it to Al, he's gotten crazed new con repubs to expose their insanity better than most.
Now McCancer presents Obama as Moses in a new attack ad.
Wonder if there's any Jews and/or Christians out there that feel just slightly insulted that their religions are being used as political fodder?
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/01/2008 @ 7:44pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 12:24pm
Yeah considering Al's smarts and humanity, odds are better than not that 9/11 would not have happened much less the Iraq war or even the lack of preparedness that happened after Katrina to New Orleans. Especially considering what Al did hands on to help New Orlean in their hous/days/weeks in need compared to hsuB and McCancer celebrating at a birthday party...
Would it be too much to say that the difference between a hsuB failed petty dic'tatorship would've been much different from an Al Gore presidency-- like on a scale of exactly 180º difference, you think.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/01/2008 @ 7:56pm
And here's the latest perfidy: Barak Obama announces that he'll consider a compromise on off-shore drilling!! And done on a Friday night to minimize the impact! How long is this guy's list of flip-flops now? Lets see, FISA, campaign finance reform, the 16 month timetable, NAFTA, and now off-shore drilling. Five, six items and all important. Show me a progressve willing to support Obama in good conscience after all these lies and I'll show you a progressive that's as big a liar as Obama. Yet there will be schlemeil after schlemeil here rationalizing this duplicity. Face it, the guy's a prevaricator. Principled progressives should vote for Nader.
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 8:32pm
Posted by john lowell at 08/01/2008 @ 8:32pm |
Give it up, lowell.
You've admitting your "campaign" on the right-wing blogs to get them to vote for Chuck Baldwin is failing....you think LEFT-wingers are more stupidly ideological?
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 11:43pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 08/01/2008 @ 11:43pm
Not a thing to say about Obama's latest flipper, Maskdelta? Exactly what is it that you think you can count on with this paramecium anyway, another major issue sell-out? That's what you're being taught. I mean I can understand your fascination with me, my exciting positions, my skill and agility, but at one point or other you're going to have to come to grips with the disaster that Obama is so rapidly becoming. So allow me to run just this one by you, son: Do you favor off-shore drilling? Can you feel the ground moving beneath your feet?
Posted by john lowell at 08/02/2008 @ 12:31am
BWAHahahahahah. What joker! This guy is hilarious. Thanks again for another funny, JoLo.
Posted by hsuBfools at 08/02/2008 @ 12:59am
FROSTY, YOU SLIPPING THE BONDS OF SANITY.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ verbs helpful. sanity? not again?!? perhaps. i've been thinking about this all day. even while i was eating the best peaches on earth (except for the other ones).
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ so, here goes. prez gore. snacktions and noflies continue. graft for oil gets exposed. gore looks bad. 2003.4 saddam is shown to be extra mean. coalition of election committee takes out saddam. probability, 2.7%
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ maybe i'm a-stretchin', but mr. gore did rattle on frequently about saddam. and he's "gotta look tough". perhaps not all out invasion, but general unfriendliness nonetheless. on the other hand mr. gore would know that saddam was a counter to them crazy iranians, so maybe he wouldn't slip out of the bounds of sanity after all. probability, more probable.
I REALIZE YOU'VE NOW LEAPED IN WITH BOTH FEET INTO THE POOL OF "ALL THE AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AND WILL BE JUST AS BAD AS ANY OTHER, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT".....
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ well, it seems truly embarrassing that my ramblings would lead you to draw that conclusion. every human is different. i wish we didn't have countries. imagine. heheh.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ my childhood impression of america was that of a noble giant, benevolent to the forces of goodwill on this here planet. and much of the comfortable life my family currently enjoys is thanks to american "largesse" and gumption.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ if i seem cynical lately, you can blame senator obama. i was kinda sorta hopin' i could start hoping to hope (yay!) that america, whatever <i>that</i> means, would go beyond just being one of the best places to exist on earth, and become what every human imagines a great country to be. helpful and kind, reasonable and fair. a country that set the example for the world to follow.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ then, of course, came the inevitable appeasements.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ i realize that to gain the acceptance of enough people to let them call you their "leader" one must necessarily accept positions that one might be personally less willing to accept.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ i hope one day humans will be able to choose their representatives based on the reasonability of their ideas and ideals, foregoing the need to assign them the status of one particular party or other.
BUT TO JOIN IN WITH A NUTJOB LIKE LOWELL WHO THINKS THAT GORE WOULD HAVE INVADED IRAQ (GIVEN ALL WE KNOW ABOUT HOW BUSH WAS PUSHING BLAIR FOR SOME WAY TO INCITE THE IRAQIS AND CREATE A PRETEXT, ETC.)...
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ good point. john lowell seems phoney.
AND THE MAN'S POST-PRESIDENTIAL CAREER...
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ if only he walked the walk, hydrocarbonically speaking that is. would be quite a force.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ mr. gore's a smart dude -- politics and saddam and history and oil, could however, have backed him into a corner. my computer's not powerful enough to do the modelling. but as stated above, is see the probability as being low.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ i could just as well hypothesize that mr. gore would have started a mideast peace thingie early, thus lowering tensions and preventing 9/11. but i see the probability as being low, as well.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ i bet he would have read that august report about the planes by the spy dudes. that's very true. i bet.
IT'S NOT JUST CRAZY, IT'S ILLOGICAL.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ so? barack obama's got me grumpy.
WHY IS GORE ALLOWING HIMSELF TO BE THE TARGET OF MOCKERY AND "MANBEARPIG" SATIRE TO KEEP HAMMERING AWAY AT GLOBAL WARMING (A LA "INCONVENIENT TRUTH")?
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ if he consumed fewer hydrocarbons in his quest to reduce hydrocarbon usage, i'd be on board.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ he must eat a lot of meat to get that physique. see, he doesn't set the example. how can i demand my students practice if i don't practice?
WOULD BUSH DO THAT TOO? WHY NOT? SUPPOSEDLY (ACCORDING TO LOWELL AND NOW YOU) THEY'RE "JUST THE SAME", RIGHT?
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ no. no. no. not at all. mr. gore is not dumb and much less corrupt. politics and saddam and history and oil may have put him in an uncomfortable position.
WHY DID GORE COME OUT FORCIFULLY AGAINST THE WAR, EARLIER THAN HILLARY...ALMOST AS EARLY AS OBAMA....IF "HE WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING AND WANTED TO DO THE SAME THING"?
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html --
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ Former Vice President Al Gore -- Iraq and the War on Terrorism -- September 23, 2002
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ very interesting. seems he's saying that if we really gotta go to iraq, we'd better weigh out all the consequences it will have on the GWOT, post saddam iraq, and the entire region, as well.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ but he doesn't say "don't do it". i think he's saying "if you gotta do it, do it well and with help".
SERIOUSLY MAN, I REALIZE THAT AMERICA IS NOT GOING TO BECOME SWEDEN OR EVEN CANADA AS YOU LIKE...
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ i don't like countries. i hope for the entire human condition. i want america to become what's written in its constitution (for the most part). i want america to become the place that nice people like you dream about. i want america to set the good example it truly can.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ as to canada: what i notice most about people as a mass is their environmental impact. i would say that those identifying themselves as canadian are quite similar to those choosing the epithet, "american".
AND WE'RE NOT BREEDING A CROP OF LINCOLNS, JEFFERSONS, EVEN ROOSEVELTS FOR YOUR LIKING...
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ or yours, i imagine. i've got a harper. we swim in the same sea.
AND WHILE I ADMIRE AND PARTICIPATE IN CYNICISM....
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ are you serious?
CRAZY ASS CYNICISM LIKE "THEY'RE ALL...EXACTLY THE SAME" JUST MAKES YOU LOOK DUMB.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ i suppose it does. blame barack obama.
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ yours respectfully,
˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ ˚˚˚˚˚ fz.
POSTED BY MASKDELTA AT 08/01/2008 @ 12:24PM
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/02/2008 @ 01:30am
hey mask.
please read that rambling.
i had to think.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/02/2008 @ 01:31am
And here's the latest perfidy: Barak Obama announces that he'll consider a compromise on off-shore drilling!!
Posted by john lowell at 08/02/2008 @ 12:31am | ignore this person | warn this person
ok now...add in part 2 of what he said...
he was willing to consider some new offshore oil drilling as a part of a compromise that included renewable, clean energy development...
IF indeed we concentrate primarily on t. boone pickens style projects and such WHILE we continue to RESPONSIBLY develop some of the last rich oilfields to hold us over until the switch is complete...
fine. sounds sensible to me. you see...nothing short of a dictator will in the short term realize all of our dearest progressive dreams immediately so until then we have to deal with the reality that we live in a democracy (much battered of late, i admit, but still...) in which people of differing, sometimes opposiing views must find a way to live together...
and so sometimes the must indeed COMPROMISE...
i understand hard core ideologues of whatever stripe have an asperger's syndrome difficulty in understanding this basic high school american government concept but...
its still true!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/02/2008 @ 10:25am
It has been interesting viewing these blogs for the past several weeks. Though snark comes from both sides, to be sure, I find that our more conservative bloggers go for the dismissive one liners, rather than cogent arguments that convey why their candidate is better. Yeah, they sure know how to cut and paste--as do my 11th graders--but they do not seem to like analysis very well. The do not seem to want to tell us what is right about McCain.
They don't want to go there. They just want to attempt to define; smear, smear, smear. They never talk about the direction they will take our country, for if they did, they know we would not vote for them.
WHAT IS RIGHT ABOUT MCCAIN, YOU GUYS? HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US THAT!?!
Frankly I don't think you can. Sure, you might be able to cut and paste a diatribe from a hack website, but no more than that, because the fact of the matter is, you don't even like your own candidate! You just hate ours more.
I think you all have candidate envy.
Ours is articulate--yours fumbles and stumbles every other day.
Ours can write--yours has to be passed his Rovian talking points--and have them on a pad in front of him.
Ours can reach across the aisle, while yours has alienated the liberal base.
Ours represents hope and change, while yours represents more of the same.
Obama reflects 21st century America, and yours reflects the Cold War era.
Our candidate is willing to lead, while your candidate follows the money.
It is true that there are many liberals that want everything their way all the time, and the whine quite a bit.
Not me. I am dedicated to this candidacy and I will argue, analyze the issues and fight for our country, because I WILL NEVER FORGET FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE TO AMERICA:
*THEY HAVE MODELED SELF-SERVING BRUTALITY FOR ALL TO SEE.
*THEY HAVE FUNNELED OUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS TO HALLIBURTON (KBR) AND BLACKWATER.
*THEY POLITICED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
*THEY POLITICED THE JUDICIAL BRANCH
*THEY TRASHED KATRINA VICTIMS--ESPECIALLY THE MINORITY VICTIMS
*THEY TRASHED THE HOUSING MARKET
*THEY ARE DIVIDERS, NOT UNITERS
*THEY ARE DISPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVES
So, ummmmmm why should we vote for McCain? And don't give me that tax crap, because he already said all things are on the table. We all know that Republicans BORROW AND SPEND anyway.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/03/2008 @ 03:09am
Pleeeeeeeeze.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/01/2008 @ 02:48am
well, well.
that wasn't very nice.
mr. clinton did much damage. you check it out, brainiac.
Posted by frosty zoom
You know the more I read you guys (a bit of an assumption there) the more I like you, though I utterly disagree with you. I respect passion, even delusional, semi cogent passion; 'tis passion none the less.
Clinton did damage, which is why I did not support his wife. I still had a hangover from his Demlican administration. I'm not for Republicrats either. But diplomacy and negotiation, I can deal with if its a sweet deal.
As far as his personal stuff. I could care less. I'd rather face my maker having a bit of a, shall we say, active libido, than I would lying an entire country into a war that killed tens, maybe hundreds of thousands.
I admit. I'm not always nice. What about you?
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/03/2008 @ 03:58am
i'm always nice :+(
PD, mr. clinton is like mr. obama -- less worserest than the other guy.
mr. clinton's personal dealings mean nothing to me.
however, many of today's problems have their roots in the clinton administration.
and yes, mr. bush's is not in an enviable position karmically speaking.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/03/2008 @ 10:55am
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/03/2008 @ 03:58am | ignore this person | warn this person
the anonymity of the web is a great ennabler of assiness...part of the charm, eh?
too much empathy and decentness is unwise - drives ya nuts, doesn't neccessarily help the suffering. but a lot of the hard core right do indeed impress me as being especially empathy challenged, which according to the shrink that analyzed nazi war criminals at nuremburg was the only thing he found in common in his search for a definition of evil.
many of these hard core righties indeed appear incapable of empathizing with those who suffer until that specific suffering afflicts them or somebody they personally know...then cover your ears to drown out the weeping and gnashing of teeth!
being evil myself i actually empathize with my evil rightwing friendenemies - its my oppositional defiant hatred of my dark lord that drives me into the host of light and against the forces of darkness, but heck, you goody goody two shoes do indeed desperately need dark souls like me to do your dirty work and lord knows i prefer the company of the decent to their opposite - makes life a lot less stressful. whatever works, eh?
(har har har!)
Posted by ibbleblibble at 08/03/2008 @ 11:27am
speaking of childish:
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Pentagon said Friday it has notified Congress of proposed military sales to Iraq valued at more than nine billion dollars, including helicopters, tanks and armored vehicles.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/03/2008 @ 11:55am
Yea, I agree with you on Clinton, and I am no fan of Democans or Republicrats; however we need to heal and reach across the aisle now and I think that Obama is the leader in that could. You know he has been doing a very good job navigating some treacherous waters here. I think perhaps diplomacy is a propensity of his. fz, we need that.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 08/03/2008 @ 10:42pm
i sure hope so, pd.
i sure hope so.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/04/2008 @ 7:40pm