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RedditSenator Joseph Lieberman is scheduled to headline Pastor John Hagee's 2008 Christians United For Israel Washington-Israel Summit this July 22. In accepting Hagee's invitation, Lieberman became the most senior elected representative confirmed to appear at the annual gala. Last year, when Lieberman spoke at Hagee's summit, he compared the Texas televangelist to the biblical prophet Moses, dubbing him "an Ish Elochim," or "a man of God." Unless he rescinds his pledge to appear at this year's summit, Lieberman can be expected to deliver another soul-stirring tribute.
Hagee's vitriolic condemnation of Catholicism, his jeremiad declaring Hurricane Katrina divine punishment for New Orleans' hosting of a "homosexual rally," and his generally disturbing apocalyptic theology became national news last February when John McCain accepted his endorsement in a widely publicized ceremony.
While initially resisting pressure to reject Hagee's endorsement, McCain finally ended his relationship with Hagee when a sermon by the preacher describing the Holocaust as the will of God registered on the mainstream media's radar (Hear the now-infamous sermon here).
"Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Rev. Hagee's endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well," McCain said on May 22.
How extreme is Hagee? And how cozy are he and Lieberman? Watch this video by Bruce Wilson of Talk2Action.org to find out.
Lieberman was aware of many of Hagee's vile statements well before McCain renounced him. On May 13, Fox News' Megyn Kelly asked Lieberman to respond the gathering criticism of Hagee's remarks. But instead of distancing himself from Hagee's views as McCain had, Lieberman launched into a spirited defense of the televangelist, describing him as someone who "represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel."
At the time, prior to McCain's sweeping renunciation, Lieberman could have reasonably claimed to be unaware of the preacher's repugnant views on the Holocaust. Now, he has no excuse for ignorance. As a key McCain surrogate who McCain may select as his running mate, Lieberman must know why Hagee is no longer welcome on the so-called Straight Talk Express.
So why the silence? Why won't Lieberman, who is married to the daughter of Holocaust survivors, end his relationship with Hagee as well? Why, in apparent defiance of the McCain campaign, does he remain scheduled to headline Hagee's upcoming summit? If Lieberman plans to continue touting his moral fiber and independence as his greatest assets, he must renounce the hate-mongering Hagee.
The new progressive pro-Israel lobbying organization J Street released a petition today calling for Lieberman to terminate his relationship with Hagee. You can add your name by clicking here. With your help, Lieberman may finally conclude that Hagee is really a mamzer, not a man of God.
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Hagee's endorsement of McCain shows what raging hypocrites most evangelicals are and how they point out Bible verses that support their views and ignore those that don't.No one knows how Jesus felt about the subject of gays,but we sure know what His views of divorce/ adultery are and,according to Jesus,McCain is not married to the woman he lives with,but is an unrepentant adulterer who is just living in a sinful relationship.Evangelicals,like LvLiberty,Hagee,etc, are quick to point out Bible verses that pertain to gays and were quick to point out verses about adultery when it came to Clinton,but are quite quiet about McCain and many are endorsing this unrepentant adulterer and will vote to put this "sinful" couple in office and then will blame the next natural disaster on gay people rather than on themselves for supporting such an unrepentant and "sinful" couple..
Posted by i'm nobody at 05/27/2008 @ 05:21am
Looks like what has changed the most is... dems respect for Joe.
Yep, good pick Mr. Gore. Triangulation bites back.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 @ 05:24am
making secret deals with Nazis to terrorize colonize Palestine;
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
it was the arabs who made deals with the nazis.
take your anti semitism and shove it
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 05:41am
[it was the arabs who made deals with the nazis.
take your anti semitism and shove it
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 ]
Don't forget the Pope. At the very least he turned a blind eye.
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 @ 05:45am
CRAB, try this (to explain away Nader and 2000)...
"I ran outta gas! I had a flat tire! I didn't have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn't come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from outta town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts!! It wasn't my fault I swear to God!!!"
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 06:03am
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008
the Vatican did more than that. they also helped nazis escape, it has been reported.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 06:07am
Crab, apropos an earlier post.
it's true that Clinton/Gore kept the Iraq war at a low simmer. this however cannot be compared to what Bush has accomplished, the near total destruction of Iraqi society and Iraq the country.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 06:09am
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 |
I'm not surprised at your attack on my person and not my point. I understand to deny the Master Race/Chosen People position of the Jews is regarded as anti-Semitic. But, what I am is anti-religion/magic/supernatural.
So the whole idea of 'Biblical Israel' is absurd to me. Like I posted earlier, we might as well try to establish "Tolkien Middle Earth." It's stupid and dangerous to try to graft mythical tales of magic onto reality.
As for my point:the reality of Zionist collaboration with Nazis (this, after all, is the point of departure for all of these comments: Hagee's assertion of Hitler doing God's and Zionism's work of colonizing Palestine.) Shall we deny some African's collaboration with European and Arab and(yes, it's true!) Jewish slavers in the African slave trade?
There is a plethora of documentation of collaboration between European Zionists and Nazis. Here's a couple links: www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html - 23k http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1982
Do you actually deny the historical record of Zionist terror in Palestine? Or are you one of the truly racist Zionists that try to deny the existence of Palestinians altogether? I deny special divine dispensation for any person or people: Jews, Muslims, Brahmins, Christians, Anglos, Arabs, etc., etc. How about you? Are the "Jews" 'God's Chosen People"? Should the rest of us recognize our inferiority to God's Chosen? Sorry, not me.
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 06:37am
Posted by megacephalus at 05/27/2008
See? Still plenty of anti-Semitism left for both Left and Right to enjoy!
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 07:22am
Joe's Jews for Genocide...
Oy vey!
Posted by leftofcenter at 05/27/2008 @ 07:33am
It's time to boycott Lieberman. He doesn't remotely have the better interests of our country in mind.
Posted by sloper at 05/27/2008 @ 07:36am
Boycott Gores running mate?
It must be Naders fault!
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 @ 07:47am
Holy Joe must believe in some sort of perverse reincarnation. He's planning on coming back as an insect. And so all the great company to lay the groundwork. And by the way, many of the coolest heads on the planet happen to be Jewish. Unfortunately, Joe is not among them.
Posted by Sorelish at 05/27/2008 @ 07:55am
Lets see how many bloggers around here, that in another post have been defending Gore 2000, are now going to attack Lieberman.
This is going to be fun.
Lieberman:
For the war in Iraq
For Bush "energy bill"
Lieberman against Kerry in 2004
Lieberman kisses Bush
Obamas mentors: Clinton/Lieberman
2005- [Lieberman, D-Conn., who spent Wednesday and Thursday in Iraq, saw strong evidence that a workable American plan is in place.
"We do have a strategy," he said. "We do have a plan. I saw a strategy that's being implemented."]
Yep, that could have been our VP. Wait! It basically is!
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 @ 08:01am
It's a shanda I tell you! Looking at most of the Jewish representatives in Congress I get an ill feeling in my stomach as a fellow Yid. But Lieberman has been the worst, showing loyalty only to himself and Likud.
I find it a shame also that the right policies of Likud in Israel are therefore used to indicate their national attitude. There are many many Israelis who do want both an equitable two state solution and peace with their Arab cousins. The problem is the opposition in Israel isn't well organized and they depend upon the leadership of ancient generals who fall slave to the very vocal demands of those who insist upon the singularity of Eretz Yisrael. They have the most vibrant democracy in the Middle East (though I could make an argument for Turkey) yet the military and the extreme right still manage to rule the day. Change to Israeli policy will have to come with a new generation stepping up and making the changes from the inside. Of course with Uncle Joe and Aunt Dianne sending basically blank checks to buy extremely scary weapons little incentive to change is coming I fear.
Posted by yutsano at 05/27/2008 @ 08:08am
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 |
Lieberman? VP? that was eight years ago. I imagine you and Lieberman have changed a lot in those eight years. I have.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 08:18am
Good morning, Max.
Excellent post.
This is one of the great multi-layered and disturbing ironies of our time --the American "Christian" religious right wing nut-jobs in a death kiss embrace with the (rather blindly fundamentalist in its own right, but for more obviously understandable reasons i.e. the Holocaust) American Zionist/Israel lobby. The lobby exhibits no outward appearance of discomfort at the acceptance of money from frothing at the mouth end of timers who disturbingly patronize the Jewish people by openly stating that they will eventually convert to Christianity or be condemned --condemned, no less, than during a world-wide end of times conflagration that is wished for to the point of being actively encouraged at every turn with gleeful enthusiasm.
This is an unholy alliance from Hell.
And yet it forms one of the more prominent threads of the narrative of our geopolitical reality. It is truly one of the more painful facts of American political life that this issue is one that is virtually universally forbidden to be discussed. How does one begin to address the problem if the first words out of one's mouth result in a crescendo of condemnation?
None of us can predict the future, but I find myself occasionally wishing for some kind of silver bullet to either provide a miraculous cure for the human disease of irrationality, or perhaps to simply put this broken horse out of its misery.
As one of my favorite figures of our era had indicated before he died an untimely death in late '96, the discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial life would be one possible event that might snap us out of our self-obsessed stupor.
Another cause for a glimmer of optimism is this fascinating story:
"A Superhighway to Bliss" --tinyurl.com/4cldsa
excerpt:
JILL BOLTE TAYLOR was a neuroscientist working at Harvard's brain research center when she experienced nirvana.
But she did it by having a stroke.
On Dec. 10, 1996, Dr. Taylor, then 37, woke up in her apartment near Boston with a piercing pain behind her eye. A blood vessel in her brain had popped. Within minutes, her left lobe -- the source of ego, analysis, judgment and context -- began to fail her. Oddly, it felt great.
The incessant chatter that normally filled her mind disappeared. Her everyday worries -- about a brother with schizophrenia and her high-powered job -- untethered themselves from her and slid away......
~So it's just possible that as we downward spiral toward global suicide, perhaps the bullet will bring the cure.
It would be a great relief to not have to go that far to find out.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 @ 08:21am
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 |
your use of the word nazi is the problem. I was referring to the real Nazis, remember, Germany 1930s, 1940s.
I have never supported the Likud regime in Israel. I have never supported the Bush regime here. to me they are the same.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 08:23am
Posted by blueCedars
why don't you just argue with yourself? I took none of the positions you are ranting about.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 08:27am
many of the coolest heads on the planet happen to be Jewish. Posted by Sorelish at 05/27/2008
I feel compelled - since I've been accused of anti-Semitism (I used to be able to point out that, if I believed that old tribal nonsense, that I am "Semitic". But Arabs are no longer allowed to claim their Semitic past. boo-hoo,) - to post my whole hearted agreement with the above statement. Indeed, this planet would be far poorer if not for the contributions of many of our brothers and sisters who identify themselves as Jewish. However, this does not make the Jewish people or Israel infallible or immune to criticism. and to criticize is not anti-Semitic.
They have the most vibrant democracy in the Middle East Posted by yutsano at 05/27/2008 I wonder if Arab/Palestinian Israelis agree?
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 08:34am
As they can vote in Israeli elections and there are Arabs in the Knesset, I think they would. In fact Arabs serve in the IDF. They are personally conflicted, but Arab blood does not keep Arabs who live in the territory of Israel from participating in everyday Israeli life.
Posted by yutsano at 05/27/2008 @ 08:41am
Gee B_KOOL....AIPAC, ETs, "stroke nirvana"?
kinda "all over the place", huh?
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 08:43am
Care to clarify, Maskot?
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 @ 08:46am
arabs are the niggers in Israel
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 08:56am
Joe Lieberman is a Zionist Republicon.
Posted by US voter at 05/27/2008 @ 08:57am
Maskot,
It's no surprise that you can't follow the thread of connection, baying beagle of the 'Bama backwoods.
Barketh in another direction thou howling hound of haplessness.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 @ 08:57am
Unfortunately, any people who gets their own 'state' can turn into opperssors. And the Likudnik folks have done just that. Trotsky called Israel a death trap for Jews. "Negotiators" with the Nazis in Hungary allowed a few Jews to get away, sending the rest to the chambers. Those few Jews got to go ... to Palestine.
The nationalism of the oppressor is a death trap for any ethnicity. And that is what much Zionism has evolved into.
Posted by ElyDog at 05/27/2008 @ 08:59am
CRAB, try this (to explain away Nader and 2000)...
"I ran outta gas! I had a flat tire! I didn't have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn't come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from outta town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts!! It wasn't my fault I swear to God!!!"
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
Still laughing my ass off!!
Posted by jmusolino at 05/27/2008 @ 09:07am
And another thing.......
I sometimes wonder what cause has propelled you to your eternal presence on these threads, Maskot.
I picture you as the victim of an industrial accident who has cashed in a compensation claim, and now whiles away the endless hours in your wheel chair in front of your computer screen --or perhaps you were the victim of a stroke and your game of endlessly inane postings is a mental exercise to assist in regaining your mental faculties.
If the latter, I see no signs of improvement over the years sad to say.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck though, Maskot.
Keep up the therapy if it gives you hope.
~I'm out. Good day fellow Nationheads.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 @ 09:14am
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008
I sense anger, and I certainly did not intend to get into an angry tete a tete with you. I do tend toward bombast at times; forgive me my verbosity. I just get frustrated when I feel that, especially when talking about the Mid-East, we must start our discussions from the consensus that there's a Master of the Universe old man with a beard "God" that writes books and chooses favorites and grants land deeds. (This is the basis for the philosophy of John Hagee and Lieberman, and, I might add, a majority of Israelis that I have spoken with. Including some dear friends.) I am not part of that consensus.
If we eliminated this mystical/magical thinking from our dealings with each other and instead act according to KNOWN REALITIES about PEOPLE , we'd get a lot farther towards cooperation and peace. again, forgive me my rants.
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 09:22am
Okay, let's look...
first it was "AIPAC allied with fundy Christians"....
then it was "geopolitical reality" and then "I wish I had a silver bullet"...
then Carl Sagan or somebody talking about how ETs arriving would save us...
then a woman having a stroke, and developing satori.
And then when called on this Joyce'ian stream of consciousness....
you get pissy and start in with "Why does he get to post here so much?!?!!?"
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 09:25am
Sorry, Maskot.
You are damned annoying sometimes.
I apologize for the torch job -- it appears we've both touched a nerve here.
On a brighter note, the latest Tom Dispatch has just posted and it's an excellent one. Enjoy!
Again, good day to all.
:-)
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 @ 09:32am
blue, I am not angry. not with you anyway.
Israel, like the US, is ruled by right wing extremists. they, like us need regime change.
it must be remembered that Arabs and Israelis have made peace. we need to repeat and redouble these efforts.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 09:36am
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 |
I was merely poking a little fun, KOOL, with my "all over the place" post.
Not everything is a HAPPY/PONTI/LVLIB attack, you know?
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 09:40am
Alright, dude.
Peace.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 @ 09:48am
When Kerry lost and I was so stunned and upset, my older brother, former USMC, who is big on conspiracy theory, said that he thought that Kerry was in cahoots with Bush and lost on purpose. I was angry at the very idea, now I am not so sure. People like Hagee are trying to steal Christ and his teachings away from the people. I can't even remember why I used to like Lieberman.
Posted by nova08 at 05/27/2008 @ 09:54am
Israel, like the US, is ruled by right wing extremists. they, like us need regime change. Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008
I agree, but I'm not optimistic. The Left has been utterly vanquished, replaced by a bunch of namby-pamby straw-men punching bags. That's why, every time I convince myself I won't do it again, I hear Ralph Nader speak, and I think to myself. "the only man capable of facing the Beast.' Let the pillories begin. Is it a wasted vote to vote for the one that you believe is best? Or is it better to 'hold your nose and pull the lever'? For a Democrat? or Republican?
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 09:58am
Israel, like the US, is ruled by right wing extremists. they, like us need regime change. Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008
I agree, but I'm not optimistic. The Left has been utterly vanquished, replaced by a bunch of namby-pamby straw-men punching bags. That's why, every time I convince myself I won't do it again, I hear Ralph Nader speak, and I think to myself. "the only man capable of facing the Beast.' Let the pillories begin. Is it a wasted vote to vote for the one that you believe is best? Or is it better to 'hold your nose and pull the lever'? For a Democrat? or Republican?
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 09:59am
I'm sure LV will be on to accuse you all of being anti-Semites because you don't support wiping out the Arabs to make way for the Jews.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/27/2008 @ 09:59am
Israel, like the US, is ruled by right wing extremists. they, like us need regime change. Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008
I agree, but I'm not optimistic. The Left has been utterly vanquished, replaced by a bunch of namby-pamby straw-men punching bags. That's why, every time I convince myself I won't do it again, I hear Ralph Nader speak, and I think to myself. "the only man capable of facing the Beast.' Let the pillories begin. Is it a wasted vote to vote for the one that you believe is best? Or is it better to 'hold your nose and pull the lever'? For a Democrat? or Republican?
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 10:16am
Israel, like the US, is ruled by right wing extremists. they, like us need regime change. Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008
I agree, but I'm not optimistic. The Left has been utterly vanquished, replaced by a bunch of namby-pamby straw-men punching bags. That's why, every time I convince myself I won't do it again, I hear Ralph Nader speak, and I think to myself. "the only man capable of facing the Beast.' Let the pillories begin. Is it a wasted vote to vote for the one that you believe is best? Or is it better to 'hold your nose and pull the lever'? For a Democrat? or Republican?
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 10:17am
sorry about the multiple posts. the Nation kept giving me an error page and I didn't think it went through. ...doh!
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 10:19am
Posted by b_kool_66 at 05/27/2008 |
Joe is no dummy, and I think it fair to say that his pit-bull Christians for Israel are being played for the fools which they are.
If Christian soldiers can used to garner support for Israel....hey what the hell. We will use em and dump them when we get what we want and they are of no use.
Posted by OneVote at 05/27/2008 @ 10:22am
Lieberman? VP? that was eight years ago. I imagine you and Lieberman have changed a lot in those eight years. I have.
Posted by emile duBois
even your name!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 10:23am
Posted by frosty zoom
i have not changed my name. what I did change was my nom de plume here. stop posting such trivialities.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 10:31am
It's happened to us all I think Blue, I learned you just work through it and you just get a double post at worst.
Posted by yutsano at 05/27/2008 @ 10:32am
heheh
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 10:32am
Ralph Nader talks a good game... every four years.
he is above the spade work required to build a third party movement.
he is now a distraction. Barry is our best bet now.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 10:47am
Joe Lieberman is not only the main guest speaker at the CUFI Summit (along with Hagee himself), he also has regular conference calls with the group:
http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer?pagename=events_Conference_Call
Posted by eric72 at 05/27/2008 @ 11:07am
Joe the Schmoe just grasping at straws trying to find SOMEBODY who'll still be his pal.
The Left and Dems don't like him....the Right doesn't TRUST him (remember he's still pro-gay rights, etc.).
And he knows he's only got 4 more years left in the Senate. (Unless CT Dems get stupid again and nominate another guy like Ned "Wal-mart Shareholder" Lamont)
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 11:29am
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/27/2008
Translation: "Nuh-huh!"
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 @ 12:32pm
It looks to me like hatemongoring has almost become an American value. And speaking of American values, when did pride in your country become a virtue? Pride is the deadliest of the seven deadly sins.
Posted by nova08 at 05/27/2008 @ 12:35pm
That Lieberman's first allegiance is to Israel and the eradication of Arabs and Islam, should be n0 surprise. The Israeli Zionists (of which Lieberman is one) have shown over the years that their ends of a 'Biblical' Israel (a bizarre vision akin to a 'Tolkien Middle-Earth") is worth any means: making secret deals with Nazis to terrorize colonize Palestine; amassing a homicidal/suicidal nuclear arsenal ("we get what we want or we take everybody with us!"); making deals with despots and racist regimes - Apartheid South Africa; Saudi Arabia; the Shah's Iran; etc.; or sidling up to pro-Israeli/anti-Jew fanatical bigots like Hagee.
Posted by blueCedars at 05/27/2008 @ 12:59pm
I think what surprises me about the whole Isreal thing should not really surprise anyone. It's that I had this image of Jews as peace loving pacifists. But why? Just because they were persecuted. As a Regular Church-going and Bible-reading Christian I have heard and read countless times of the Jews suffering, and in fact, take the pre-Christ trials they went through as part of my own religious heritage. So you get this feeling that Jews are just constantly being beaten down, always the righteous underdog. But they are, apparently,just as capable of violence and hate as any of their persecuters ever was. And now, against the Palestians and others, they are taking their chance to show it.
Posted by nova08 at 05/27/2008 @ 1:07pm
oops, Palestinians.
Posted by nova08 at 05/27/2008 @ 1:09pm
Pride is the deadliest of the seven deadly sins.
Posted by nova08
i vote for gluttony.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 1:18pm
Posted by megacephalus at 05/27/2008
See? Still plenty of anti-Semitism left for both Left and Right to enjoy!
Posted by Mask
this dude is anti-anything-that's-not-him.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 1:31pm
(though I could make an argument for Turkey)
Posted by yutsano
at least turkey has rejected theocracy!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 1:36pm
We need not waste time and effort on old Joe Evil. He has been part of the dark side from birth. He has never been democrat or republican, but rather a pro Israel religious nut case from day one.
Posted by julien38 at 05/27/2008 @ 1:39pm
Lieberman is playing the only cards he has left. after the election, in which dems stand to make significant gains in the senate. they will likely freeze him out.
I think that American influence over Israel has been wildly exaggerated in these pages.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/27/2008 @ 1:42pm
but what of israeli influence over america?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 1:48pm
at least turkey has rejected theocracy!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008
They're flirting with it, fortunately they also have a history of rejecting overt Islamicism. But the military intervention in elections make them dicey to me.
Posted by yutsano at 05/27/2008 @ 1:49pm
I'm not worried about Isreali influence over us or us influencing them. What concerns me is the needless killing of Palestinians. Or the killing of innocent women and children on both sides. We need to keep looking into why people like Lieberman are so willing to get into bed with people like Hagee and vice/versa. Gluttony worse than pride? Is that a joke? I really don't get it if it is, maybe I'm not good at sarcasm.
Posted by nova08 at 05/27/2008 @ 2:47pm
gluttony seems to be killing more of my neighbours, that's all.
no sarcasm intended.
on a global scale, greed seems to be masking itself with pride.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/27/2008 @ 2:56pm
CRAB, try this (to explain away Nader and 2000)...
"I ran outta gas! I had a flat tire! I didn't have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn't come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from outta town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts!! It wasn't my fault I swear to God!!!"
heheh
Posted by Mask at 05/27/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
I assume this is Gore talking about his trip to The Supremes?
Posted by crabwalk at 05/27/2008 @ 10:27pm
at least turkey has rejected theocracy!
so have most other mid east nations. in fact the only theocracy in the region is Iran.
Turkey was never a theocracy.
the Ottoman empire was multi racial, multi religious, multi ethnic etc. that is the reason it outlasted most other empires.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 01:06am
so have most other mid east nations. in fact the only theocracy in the region is Iran.
Posted by emile duBois
you forget the bush government in iraq!
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:19:51 AM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/28/2008 @ 03:00am
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008
I hate empires. Can they offer refuge & security to some "sitting duck" populations? I suppose so. Maybe they were absorbed or assimilated for that very reason. But why do we always seem to come back to Finland?
Posted by Sorelish at 05/28/2008 @ 03:01am
the life span of empires has gotten shorter and shorter.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 03:12am
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:19:51 AM
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/28/2008 |
the puppet gov't of Iraq is not a theocracy.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 1:00pm
Posted by nova08 at 05/27/2008 |
no concern for innocent Israelis killed?
there goes your credibility.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 1:01pm
the puppet gov't of Iraq is not a theocracy.
Posted by emile duBois
i'm talking about stromboli, not pinocchio.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/28/2008 @ 1:45pm
I didn't say that no one else is concerned about innocent loss of life. I said THAT is what concerns ME. Is there a need to get defensive?
Posted by nova08 at 05/28/2008 @ 2:21pm
What concerns me is the needless killing of Palestinians. Or the killing of innocent women and children on both sides.
there is something strange here. on one hand you deplore the killing of Palestinians. then it's women and children that get your concern. what about Israeli men? they seem to have been left out of your equation.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 2:24pm
Joe Lieberman is the capo in the Hagee plan for Israel and the Jews. He is the Jew that fools the other Jews into the delousing showers where they will get their snootful of ZyklonB and then be tossed into the crematoria by Jesus at the end of time. He is a collaborator in the plan and thus he must be declared a leper by the rest of us.
Hagee and his friends have energized the most backward, radical and nasty elements of the Israeli electorate, saying that he favors Israel. He favors an Israel that is "judenfrei," without Jews. He favors a plan that calls all Jews to Israel so that Jesus can slaughter them when they don't convert, all to Hagee's triumphant and final erection.
Posted by midnight04 at 05/28/2008 @ 2:46pm
Did anyone else see the guest on the Daily Show talk about Hagee's church in Texas where new members go to a back-woods retreat and part of the process is to "vomit out your demons" together into paper bags? Remember when Coulter called Christians "perfected Jews"? There are many ways and reasons to come to Christ, and I see a lot of these right-wing fundy's coming to the religion that I love only to use it as a tool to hate others and gain power for themselves. It's as if they can't even hear what they themselves are saying. If you go to the Bible only looking for words to justify your already existing opinions you hurt yourself just as you are hurting others. I mentioned the Palestinians first because I see Isreal as the aggressor in this conflict. And, yes, I do worry more about women and children then grown men in any war. I freely admit my sexist bias. I don't like the idea of anyone dying needlessly, so that would include Isreali men. I would like it if all the killing stopped, especially killing wrapped up in so many lies and delusions.
Posted by nova08 at 05/28/2008 @ 3:31pm
I see Israel as the aggressor in this conflict.
yeah right.
end of discussion.
Posted by emile duBois at 05/28/2008 @ 4:38pm
More about John Hagee and Joe Lieberman's shared views about the need to bomb Iran very, very soon:
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11541
Posted by eric72 at 05/28/2008 @ 9:03pm
Gee, I don't know what's worse...the delusions of Hagee's Israel supporters (my country: right or wrong), or the completely shameless opportunism of Jews like Lieberman who are willing to take money from these poor ignorant people (who believe that Jews will be converted or killed on Judgment Day).
Posted by peter_orpheus at 05/30/2008 @ 12:51am